Sunday Strava Segment rider....

[gnawbonelefty]

I found some that we can attach to the carsonite signs for $.85 at rockart.
rockart requires a $50 minimum order.  Next time we place an order, I'll make sure we get some.
If anyone else know a source with a smaller minimum, let me know.


..R

[MikeHufhand]

We're a victim of our own success.  A big part of a comprehensive solution is MORE trails.  Mountain biking is very popular for a lot of reasons.   25 miles is just not enough trail especially if you take out Walnut, Schooner, and really Limekiln too since its disconnected from the other beg/intermedia trails.  And 25 miles isn't enough considering what BCSP has become, and that's a destination mountain bike trail system.


We need to do a better job of conveying this to the DNR and to other statewide leaders. And I include ME in that WE!

[Paul_Arlinghaus]

I am working on a rock art order and will get some yielding signs.

No matter the size of the sign the most important way to encourage good manners is for riders to speak up. 

Politely inform newer riders of the need to yield.  Speak up when you hear someone say something incorrect.  Make sure your riding group is setting a good example.

The signs help when someone wants to argue with you. 

[Shark]

Here's something I have been thinking about, let me know what you think...

Many times new riders do not know the rules (ie, not riding muddy trails, yielding to uphill riders etc etc) just because they've never been informed.

Personally, the first year I started, I had NO CLUE that riding in the mud was bad. It was fun. Add to that, many new riders are not even aware of HMBA/IMBA, not aware of the forums, etc. It was a couple years of riding until I knew about the HMBA.


I am curious if something as simple as a flyer given to anyone buying a bike from a LBS, that has a list of common rules, links to the HMBA & IMBA websites would be helpful. Might help to inform newer riders of things they don't know about until they get into regular riding. Shouldn't cost too much to get a few thousand flyers printed up, and give a pile to each LBS around town to hand out when they sell a bike, or helmet or whatever.

Whaddya think?

[gnawbonelefty]

Here's something I have been thinking about, let me know what you think...

Many times new riders do not know the rules (ie, not riding muddy trails, yielding to uphill riders etc etc) just because they've never been informed.

Personally, the first year I started, I had NO CLUE that riding in the mud was bad. It was fun. Add to that, many new riders are not even aware of HMBA/IMBA, not aware of the forums, etc. It was a couple years of riding until I knew about the HMBA.


I am curious if something as simple as a flyer given to anyone buying a bike from a LBS, that has a list of common rules, links to the HMBA & IMBA websites would be helpful. Might help to inform newer riders of things they don't know about until they get into regular riding. Shouldn't cost too much to get a few thousand flyers printed up, and give a pile to each LBS around town to hand out when they sell a bike, or helmet or whatever.

Whaddya think?

Imba has printed out for us a number of join post cards.  they are preety nice,  bu tno where on them do they mention the hmba web site, and good luck getting to the hmba web site from imba.com there are no links.

[chuckdlou]

paul, when i put the stickers on the posts at BC we ran out before i was done...i'll check tomorrow or thursday and let you know what we still need to finish...

[tommarsh]

I was riding Sunday morning and was one of the people that set a PR down hesitation but i don't own a bicycle station top and i stopped twice to let climbers by... yes im just that slow down hill... also started the ride at 9am to avoid the traffic. There were a couple of groups out riding at a similar time that several people said hadn't stopped for climbers. Don't think Strava is the cause, there are just people out there who never stop for climbers.

[Justin Whitaker]

Let me know if you need flyers or any type of promo stuff done. I do graphic design and I'd be happy to do it for my cost or cheaper. Also, still wanted to make up some business cards as well that we talked about during the HOE.

Justin

[gt ss]

IMO, the large sign with very limited info would be the most helpful.

I know that signage can become too much but just like speed limit signs, could there be reminder signs along the trail where the trail tilts DH? Or even reminding riders they have the right of way going UH??

It doesn't help that some riders don't know they don't have to yield going uphill either. We take for granted the basic rules of the trail that many, many don't know.

There will still be those that don't care but maybe scattered -one rule per sign- signs would be more helpful.

[Shark]

Aside from trailhead markers and maps, please, no signs on the trails...

[Fett]

I have a suggestion that was given to me by a first time rider out at BCSP on Saturday. Most of the first riders out there are carrying the maps provided by the park which labels all of the trails by a letter deisgnation. I realize that there is a key on the map that links the letter to a trail, but many people do not.
I have been asked by many riders "Is this trail A (or B, etc)"  Can we put a letter designation on the trail markers to make navigation easier?  I would be happy to purchase the letters and put them on the markers if this is deemed a good idea.

[Kswiss]

[size=78%]I have been asked by many riders "Is this trail A (or B, etc)"  Can we put a letter designation on the trail markers to make navigation easier?  I would be happy to purchase the letters and put them on the markers if this is deemed a good idea.[/size]

Then Brown County will turn into "Hey lets go hit trail C and finish up on trail B".  I don't think that we should pander to those who can't read a map.

[Fett]

[size=78%]I have been asked by many riders "Is this trail A (or B, etc)"  Can we put a letter designation on the trail markers to make navigation easier?  I would be happy to purchase the letters and put them on the markers if this is deemed a good idea.[/size]

Then Brown County will turn into "Hey lets go hit trail C and finish up on trail B".  I don't think that we should pander to those who can't read a map.

I do not disagree with you, as I never want it to become a trail system of letters.   I think that having the letter on the trail marker along with the name of the trail will help rider associate the name of the trail with the letter.  As the numbers of first timers grow all of the time, I do want pander to making their initial experience as fun as possible, so they keep coming back and our numbers grow.

[john7722]

Why are common sense solutions always ignored when it comes to marking trails ?
If the park map has letter designations for the trails ! Then put that letter on the marker @ the trail Junctions. Am I crazy ? Or is that a logical solution?
I am dumbfounded at the lack of  proper yet simple trail markings.
I cannot even tell you how many people we come across that Brown County that are lost and turned around or can't find the parking lot from which they started!
How about a "P" for Parking? pretty simple and straight forward and LOGICAL!
Don't use lack of funding as an excuse ! Several people on this forum have offered to pay! I have offered to pay for markers  @ O'Bannon, but that was quickly denied.
I have said it before and I will continue to say it! Indiana has some of the poorest mark trails I have ever been on ! It simply cannot be this difficult to get the trails marked properly.

[gnawbonelefty]

Why are common sense solutions always ignored when it comes to marking trails ?
If the park map has letter designations for the trails ! Then put that letter on the marker @ the trail Junctions. Am I crazy ? Or is that a logical solution?
I am dumbfounded at the lack of  proper yet simple trail markings.
I cannot even tell you how many people we come across that Brown County that are lost and turned around or can't find the parking lot from which they started!
How about a "P" for Parking? pretty simple and straight forward and LOGICAL!
Don't use lack of funding as an excuse ! Several people on this forum have offered to pay! I have offered to pay for markers  @ O'Bannon, but that was quickly denied.
I have said it before and I will continue to say it! Indiana has some of the poorest mark trails I have ever been on ! It simply cannot be this difficult to get the trails marked properly.

the proper trail names are on the handout map given.  but to save space letters are used as a key to the map.  Most people who get lost don't understand the concept of a map key.  you can't fix stupid.