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O'Bannon Woods State Park / Re: Bear Spotted
« on: July 19, 2016, 10:01:44 AM »
And they keep saying it's from Kentucky....  He looks fit but I'm not sure he looks Ohio River swimming fitness.   

Fantastic 4 / Re: Anyone ridden Nebo lately?
« on: August 24, 2015, 09:25:08 AM »
Rode yesterday 8/23.  Funny how that place can still have soft spots after a week without rain.

Handful of trees to contend with: some to hop, some to climb over, and a go-around on the climb from the north end. 

Horses haven't been too bad to the trail, at least not nearly what I expected. 

Really a lost gem that I hope someday can return to its glory!

Brown County State Park / Re: MOAB ?
« on: November 07, 2013, 01:30:00 PM »
My two trips have been over Labor Day weekends.  Totally awesome weather.  Plus I think it's the very end of summer travel so nothing was super busy.

Rants and Raves / Re: Moving!! see you guys its been fun!!
« on: November 07, 2013, 01:23:58 PM »
Never rode with you but did do some trail work.  Best of luck!  Maybe take those fat tires south and roll on some slickrock in Moab?!  again.. Good luck and enjoy.

Hello All,
I've added the DINO Southwestway race.  I've had multiple requests and really just spaced getting this up.... As usual the format is somewhat random and probably does not match the last one I built. 
  • Accounts for everyone racing 4 laps.  Cat1 times do not change. All others have their base time plus additional laps.  Each additional lap is calculated by adding 15% to the average lap time. 
  • I added an additonal column to show Cat2 vs. Cat3 since most requests are based on this.   I did not leave the list sorted on this method though.  You simply have to look at the number at the far right if you are Cat2 or Cat3 and want to know how you stack up against each other. 
  • https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw3GNr58Tlc_MkNwTVlnREF5YTA/edit?usp=sharing
Once again.... MY DISCLAIMER...   I know there are a million other variables that can go into this.  I know that 15% is a completely made up number and in most cases it's actually very high.  If you ever want me to use a different percentage, please PM me and I will do so and share it with you.  I really like that people want to use this to help them determine moving up in Cat's. 

Edit:   Notice the coloring... It helps.. GREEN YELLOW RED= Cat 1, 2, 3.

HMBA Forum News and Information / Re: Forum Issues
« on: September 11, 2013, 10:17:31 AM »
The point I would make is that this forum IS currently one of those processes.  To take it further, to only way for HMBA to get larger is for people to GET INVOLVED.  It is easy to gripe and complain on the forum, but it takes a much higher different level of concern or interest to show up to a volunteer activity like the upcoming HOE or the many Trail work sessions we have year round.

Yes! Again I fully agree.
I'm going to make an assumption that you have been around here a while and I respect that. (Following is not pointed at you, David)  I also think that being around the HMBA a long time makes the more experienced members not see just how hidden the HMBA really is at times.
I feel my message ties directly to your quote above.  My message is to newer people like myself, wanting them understand that the HMBA and these trail systems are being maintained by far less people than we realize.
I think it's safe to say that people rarely rise to the occasion or volunteer when they think everything is under control and their help is not needed. 
Sorry for being so random.... I need to wait and post after work. haha!

HMBA Forum News and Information / Re: Forum Issues
« on: September 11, 2013, 12:43:31 AM »
Hello wanderer.  I'm going to respond within the quote in bold to make it a little easier to respond. Please note that my answers are not intended to be short or rude. I enjoy conversation, even online.

~~~~LEE3: My best summary of this rant is to say that HMBA is not as large as it appears.  Please don't think that Paul has some powerful network of people helping him work his way through the political arena.!~~~~

Just a thought....   

Maybe the HMBA should have thought about that before declaring themselves the state wide representative of mountain biking and state wide organizer of the mountain biking community in Indiana in order to chase down federal funds to spend on public property. I believe the Indy Spoke Breakers and other clubs that joined in probably did have what it took at the time. I feel the HMBA still does have what it takes on the political side.  Having the IMBA along with what I mentioned earlier, sincerity and hard work, goes a long way in smaller politics. 

I don't know, just seems more logical to be organized and capable of a such a task before announcing such things.  Not the other way around. It is nice to know how many troops you are going to need but I'm not sure that is always possible....  I think we have enough 'troops' on the political side and we probably always will have.  The hard thing to judge is the local help you will get at each trail. I'm really not sure how you can plan for local participation.   Later you mention BCSP which does get quite a bit of local help, but also a majority of the workers I have met at BCSP have not been locals.   I think it is important to remember that this sport is very young.  It's not something that you can easily build a business case around and plan for a particular headcount, especially when your headcount is coming from volunteers.

The only place the HMBA seems to be really organized is Brown County and Indy.  A few other parks managing to get some money weren't decided on by the HMBA, but by the source of the money who dictated which parks were to get the money.  Not sure you can really contribute the success of these few other trail systems to any real effort by the HMBA other then to do the minimum that was asked of them by the source of the money and then disappear. I really don't know anything about the money side.  Most of my rant is based on volunteers and hopefully building the amount of local support needed at the trail work level.

It's a big responsibility taking on a state wide position.  One of the primary goals should be to get HMBA divisions all over the state.  This doesn't seem to high a priority and so the current people in charge just end up spread thin.  The cart was put before the horse! I have been around Paul 4 times in the last 3 months (all the times I have ever met him) and each of those times his primary focus was to gain support from locals to take care of their own regions.  I'm guessing this regional support is either 1 or 2 on his list of primary goals for the HMBA.   Something I wanted to point out in my rant is that it's up to us to take care of spreading the word about HMBA and we can take care of our own trails without the help of the HMBA, but alone we don't have our foot in the door at the state level to share the statistics and show that these trails have value. The state needs info and when they have a trusted source it goes a long way. 

HMBA Forum News and Information / Re: Forum Issues
« on: September 11, 2013, 12:04:29 AM »

Not to be flippant, but I was under the impression that this forum was one of those processes.  So often while I am out doing trail work, I get asked by riders how they can find out more trail work opportunities and be involved.  I ALWAYS direct them to this forum.

Hi David - I fully agree that this forum should be one of those processes. My rant was really to stress that the HMBA is not huge like the IMBA. Although having the IMBA in our corner is a fantastic tool and does help give size and strength to the political side.  (These are my words and opinions.  Not at all spoken by Paul, only what I have observed in my short time)

I think I was diving into one key point a little more than needed and never meant this to be about the forum being public or private.


HMBA Forum News and Information / Re: Forum Issues
« on: September 10, 2013, 04:32:58 PM »

There is always a lot of "HMBA should do this.. and HMBA should do that", but no one really wants to step up and take the responsibility.  Absolutely every single person on this board can stop and talk to anyone, anytime at a trail head and let them know about HMBA.  You don't need a tent, a banner or anything.  You just say "Hello.. have you heard of the HMBA?  They're the ones that are building and maintaining these trails.  You should check them out... www.hmba.org!" 

I snipped quite a bit from the quote.... This makes me want to add another two cents.  What Tania is saying couldn't be more true.  The reason HMBA is counting on you is in my following rants...
I'm going to be pretty bold about the following.    HMBA is tiny and few know that!  I think it needs stressed that HMBA needs all hands on deck.   People assume HMBA is almighty and powerful because they have made such great leaps and bounds for mountain biking in the state of Indiana.   I would bet the farm that the Evansvile Mountain Bike Association could gather more riders for a bike ride than the HMBA.  Honestly, I say this with compassion, HMBA needs to make it clear that it's not huge! It's got very few members but these members are willing to make great sacrifices and achieve big things, that is it. I always hear people say they have other commitments..... GUESS WHAT!  HMBA volunteers probably put off other commitments and that is why they work so hard when they have the chance. 
I think the HMBA needs to be more open about how small this organization really is, maybe making people realize how badly they are needed.   
I think the members/users need to know that they have the right to talk and spread the word anytime they feel capable.  Ask you local bike shop if they support the HMBA?  Do they know why they sell high-end mountain bikes, porbably becasuse people have places to ride them..   
I think the long time HMBA members need to look at and create processes and understand where to ask for help from volunteers.  There are a lot of cyclists that have a lot to offer and don't, but they would if it was asked of them.
I can't believe that I've raced 6 DINO races this year and not noticed one HMBA banner or heard one shout-out on the PA system.  (not pointing at you Brian or Paul - just saying we need some teamwork)
I've made it a point to say something about the HMBA each time I've been in the woods for the last three months, this isn't much but it's something.
My best summary of this rant is to say that HMBA is not as large as it appears.  Please don't think that Paul has some powerful network of people helping him work his way through the political arena.  Paul and the volunteers I have met have never had an agenda, only the best interest of every rider in mind.  HMBA has cleared hurdles because of hardwork and scenerity, not power through numbers. Spread the word! Spread the word! Spread the word! Spread the word!

HMBA Forum News and Information / Re: Forum Issues
« on: August 30, 2013, 10:45:47 PM »
All the most successful forums I have been associated with have had a different level of permissions for paying members.  Different permissions really help the moderators to relax a little bit.  It helps knowing that you aren't having to instantly filter everything from the public.   I'm not saying this is Paul's goal. I just know the system works and lessons the burden on the mods.

Beth - Thank you for the great shots and hard work!
Dave - Thanks for sharing!

Southwestway Park / Re: RTP Grant Trail Work Special Sessions!
« on: August 14, 2013, 10:39:42 AM »
I would reallly like to see this place for the first time prior to the DINO race, plus lend a hand and help my friend max out her bonus points for the year(1 hour away)...   
On Thursday the two of us could offer good labor from 6pm on if you think that would be helpful. 
Will that be too late in the day to lend a hand?  I hate to be that guy that only showed up and ate pizza. 

Brown County State Park / Re: Report Trail Issues
« on: August 14, 2013, 01:03:44 AM »
On my Android, I hit the button that brings up Help, Settings, etc and Send Location is the first item on the list.

Thanks gmcttr,
I do not see that option on my iPhone.  One menu has weather, food and coffee, places nearby and search.  Other menu is labeled more and selections are my profile, settings, all tracks, start new track, meetings and my places.  Nothing about send location.

Any iPhone users help?

So far on my iPhone it seems I would have to first add the person to my contacts.  Then create a meeting place... Then send the coordinates to that person. 

Brown County State Park / Re: Night Riding Hours end at 11:00PM
« on: August 13, 2013, 10:02:07 AM »
Was there an incident that is causing them to enforce this rule?

Some unknown riders acted foul when confronted.  It was asked that we all spread the word as to the night riding rules.   The staff and local EMS are obviously on a skeleton crew at these hours of the day... 
Thank you!

Brown County State Park / Re: Unsafe work on the trails
« on: August 10, 2013, 02:24:46 PM »
Yes, to be clear, this was different than the original work that was done at the crossing. The jump"looked ok" as you were coming up to it, but terrible and unsafe when you stopped and looked closely.

We also have to keep in mind, once water is flowing, the new line to the right will not be rideable.

Hey Shark - I haven't spent much time right there, stopped..  Do you have any opinions on fixing the line going in?  I had originally thought it would be nice to simply knock down the little roller or creek bank that leads to the large rock.  It seems the rut between the bank and the large rock is just large enough to swallow a wheel.  I know creeks are extremely challenging...

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