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Title: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on August 29, 2011, 03:09:29 PM
Being this is my first year riding , and in an attempt to judge how out of shape I am, I am curious to how many miles of trail on average you can ride in a day? I know there are all sort of factors that can play in to this just speaking in general terms. If you care to share give an example i.e " I can do 5 laps on green valley " somethin like that

Rob
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Dan71 on August 29, 2011, 04:20:48 PM
Not sure of mileage but often ride pine, north tower, Aynes and sometimes green valley a couple times a week. 
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Doe on August 29, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
I'm curious how road endurance translates to the trail.  Most road miles I've done in a day is 165 (R.A.IN) and have done 500+ in five days.  So far, the most I've done off road is 3 laps at Ft. Ben.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: jasonhilt on August 29, 2011, 05:28:04 PM
I would say MTB miles are going to be more taxing overall than road miles.  You have to put more work into a mtb per mile dealing with the bumps, turns, features and other obstacles.   How many miles you could do on each is going to be different for each rider. 
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on August 29, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
This is what I rode on Sunday...Turtle,Creekside,Clifside and Grandview at VSP then drove to BCSP and rode from the North parking lot CW on greenvalley then back thought I was gonna die that was the most I have rode in one day.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: chuckc1971 on August 29, 2011, 06:51:59 PM
I'm curious how road endurance translates to the trail.  Most road miles I've done in a day is 165 (R.A.IN) and have done 500+ in five days.  So far, the most I've done off road is 3 laps at Ft. Ben.

I'm sure you would do quite well. I've ridden with many roadies that were dabbling or starting to get into mountain biking. They tend to do very well on long sustained non-technical climbs over primary mountain bikers of lesser endurance capabilities, but the skill set for most other areas is often needed. There is also a tendency for many of them to have difficulty getting the flow of the trail down where they can gain (or not lose) speed while riding.

There are a lot of variables when it comes to endurance comparisons for the same rider skilled in both areas. I would guess for a moderately technical trail, it may approach 2:1 ratio of miles on road vs. mountain bike judging by fatigue, time, etc.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Indiana Dave on August 30, 2011, 08:18:37 AM
When I was just starting, my first ride at BCSP, I got winded just finishing Pine Loop. Took a break, and rode the North Gate connector up to North Tower. Then I turned around and rode back and took Pine Loop back around to the parking lot.
I'd ridden the local greenways trail many miles, but the hills and terrain at the park killed me. That was also on a heavy ass department store bike. Within a few rides, and after getting my much lighter and better Trek, I was able to ride all the way back to Aynes, Hesitation Point, and back. I am now pretty much limited only by the amount of free time I have from the family. LOL
Now I routinely ride 3-4 laps at SWW or Fort Ben, and ride 15-20 miles whenever I go to Brown county.
I can ride more, but usually need to head back to the family.
I plan on going for 40 miles at the Breakdown this year.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: getsometrail on August 30, 2011, 10:21:03 AM
I, like Dave, am only limited by my busy family schedule.  I started out riding 2 miles to SWW then riding the trail and 2 miles back to my house, 7 total miles 4 on the road, and that wore me out.  The first time I went to BCSP a friend (much more experienced) took me around Pine Loop, North Tower conector, North Tower Loop, and Aynes loop.  About 10 miles and I thought it was going to kill me.  I couldn't climb Aynes in any gear. 
A year later I can ride to the Campground and back taking only short breaks.  I won't even really ride anymore if I don't have time to get in double digit miles, but my longest in a day was last years Breakdown I rode about 43 miles. 
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Doe on August 30, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
Oh yeah, that reminds me, my first ride to Schoen Creek included about 14 miles to and from the park on the road, plus the three laps.

chuckc, good insight, thanks!
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on August 30, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
That was also on a heavy ass department store bike.

LOL thats what Im doin it on 35lbs of pure "Wal-Goose Power" simply cuz thats what i got figure in the end Ill be stronger for it and appreciate my first good bike more. I was hopin to do the 40 miles at the breakdown but dont think Ill be ready this year.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Indiana Dave on August 30, 2011, 12:02:24 PM
Not sure the bike could take it!
It's amazing how much difference a decent bike makes. My 12 year old Trek 7000 is far better than anything from the department stores!
Watch Craigslist for deals. Jump quick, because the good deals go fast!
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Dan71 on August 30, 2011, 12:28:28 PM
That was also on a heavy ass department store bike.

LOL thats what Im doin it on 35lbs of pure "Wal-Goose Power" simply cuz thats what i got figure in the end Ill be stronger for it and appreciate my first good bike more. I was hopin to do the 40 miles at the breakdown but dont think Ill be ready this year.

I took someone out for a ride at the trails near Story, IN on a Wal Mart type bike.  The front brakes bent back and eventually broke off.  Then a small crash his gear shifter snapped off.  I was a mess.  I am sure some department store bikes are better than others.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: pedalpusher on August 30, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
That was also on a heavy ass department store bike.

LOL thats what Im doin it on 35lbs of pure "Wal-Goose Power" simply cuz thats what i got figure in the end Ill be stronger for it and appreciate my first good bike more. I was hopin to do the 40 miles at the breakdown but dont think Ill be ready this year.

Might be worthwhile checking out if your LBS rents bikes.  If I had a backup, you could take mine - or maybe someone here could help a fellow mtb rider out.  You might pay some more, but you won't have to be battling your bike and you can enjoy your day riding with a bunch of buds.  Plus, then you'll have an idea if you like that type of bike when shopping for your first real bike.  Just a thought.  I think you'll either have a great time on the trail, or have a great story to tell if you don't..win-win.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on August 30, 2011, 03:07:29 PM
Its not the bike I worry about makin it...Its the rider the ol Goose hasnt failed me yet we've been on everything at BCSP more than once except schooner ..one day when the moneys right Ill upgrade but outta the question right now.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Indiana Dave on August 30, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
FWIW... I've got less than $400 into my Trek... It's old, and been rebuilt from used parts from these classifieds, Craigslist and Ebay or hand-me-down parts, but it's reliable, and fun to ride. Been riding it for two seasons now. Money well spent.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on August 30, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
Yeah I get it ..I keep my eyes open waitin for that once in a lifetime deal gotta be a 29er with discs yeah Im poor but Im picky...lol
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: chuckc1971 on August 30, 2011, 07:21:11 PM
Yeah I get it ..I keep my eyes open waitin for that once in a lifetime deal gotta be a 29er with discs yeah Im poor but Im picky...lol

Had a buddy here in the 'Ville long on friends, but short on cash. It didn't take much scrounging the parts bins, a few bro-deals and some scrounging on craigslist, e-bay and mtbr.com to come up with just what you suggest. Getting close to the perfect time of the year for such activities!

Poor fitting and poor performing bikes have driven many a rider away from mountain biking...
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Fett on August 31, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
I have been riding for a while, but a typical weeknight ride for me at BCSP (my home course) would be to park at the trailhead, do Pine Valley, up to the North Tower and Aynes loop (clockwise on both) out to Hesitation Point and then back hitting Green Valley on the return. A typical weekend ride would be to go all the way to the campground, hitting Schooner on the way out, all of Walnut on the way back. The most trail miles that I have done in a day is 214.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Doe on August 31, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
Wow, 214 trail miles seems incredible!  Where was that?
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Fett on August 31, 2011, 09:46:16 AM
Wow, 214 trail miles seems incredible!  Where was that?

It was a 24 hour race in Wisconsin about a month ago. The 24 hours of Wausau. I will say that doing that kind of miles will wreck your body for a few weeks especially when you are 45 years old. I am just barely recovered and am foolishly going to do it again at the 24 hours of DINO in 11 days.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on August 31, 2011, 11:14:05 AM
I have done the pine. aynes , hesitation point ride minus the green valley on the return and was proud to finish that but Mr Fett you sir I think have become my new hero..being as I just quit smoking in may the same time I started riding the climbs still get me some but Im comin around...just curious how much of schooner can you ride I have only hiked it.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Fett on August 31, 2011, 01:44:55 PM
I have done the pine. aynes , hesitation point ride minus the green valley on the return and was proud to finish that but Mr Fett you sir I think have become my new hero..being as I just quit smoking in may the same time I started riding the climbs still get me some but Im comin around...just curious how much of schooner can you ride I have only hiked it.

Thanks.  On Schooner, I ride from the Hesitation entrance towards Hoosiers Nest most of the time. There are 3 sections totalling about 120 feet in that direction that I  cannot ride. The first one is the steep down left hander about 1/4 mile in. I did make it down once, but I would call it more of a controlled fall more than riding it and I almost went over the edge and down the ravine.  The second one is the the stairstep waterfall climb by the big rock face about 2/3 of the way in. I think it can be done with some good trials skills and great power. Matt Battin has come the closest that I have seen to anyone doing it. The third section is the climbing the big boulder field at the end of the trail onto the Walnut trail.

I have ridden down sections 2 and 3 in the opposite directions, although the next time I tried section 3 to show someone I could do it, I crashed and racked myself big time, so I am not doing it anymore. Discretion is the better part of valor.  It definitely is a challenge. I don't make all of the other sections all of the time, but have fun trying.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: gt ss on August 31, 2011, 09:11:02 PM
Wow, 214 trail miles seems incredible!  Where was that?

It was a 24 hour race in Wisconsin about a month ago. The 24 hours of Wausau. I will say that doing that kind of miles will wreck your body for a few weeks especially when you are 45 years old. I am just barely recovered and am foolishly going to do it again at the 24 hours of DINO in 11 days.
What kind of course was @ Wausau?  214 sounds outstanding.

2 years ago when I was 45, I put in 143 @ DINO's 24 hr in Versailles. Could have only done 13 more if it hadn't rained in the morning.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Fett on September 01, 2011, 08:28:02 AM
Wow, 214 trail miles seems incredible!  Where was that?

It was a 24 hour race in Wisconsin about a month ago. The 24 hours of Wausau. I will say that doing that kind of miles will wreck your body for a few weeks especially when you are 45 years old. I am just barely recovered and am foolishly going to do it again at the 24 hours of DINO in 11 days.
What kind of course was @ Wausau?  214 sounds outstanding.

2 years ago when I was 45, I put in 143 @ DINO's 24 hr in Versailles. Could have only done 13 more if it hadn't rained in the morning.

It was a little hillier than Versailles but some of the climbs were on fireroads, pretty comparable, difficulty wise. There was also a 3 hour lightning/storm delay in the early afternoon as a fierce storm blew through, so I it actually had 21 hours of riding time. It was wet for the rest of the race.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: tmac on September 01, 2011, 10:02:52 AM
Quote
2 years ago when I was 45, I put in 143 @ DINO's 24 hr in Versailles.

I did ~ 180 at the same ride. I'm ashamed to say I also tapped out when the rain came.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Shark on September 12, 2011, 10:14:12 AM
It's funny how riding a few years can make such a big difference in fitness & endurance.

I remember the first year I started riding, I would have to stop 1/2 way through at town run for a rest under the bridge.

Last year was the most dirt miles I have done in 1 day, at the Breakdown, a hair over 60 miles. Felt good after too I was surprised.
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Rcook on September 12, 2011, 04:58:57 PM
It's funny how riding a few years can make such a big difference in fitness & endurance.

I remember the first year I started riding, I would have to stop 1/2 way through at town run for a rest under the bridge.

Last year was the most dirt miles I have done in 1 day, at the Breakdown, a hair over 60 miles. Felt good after too I was surprised.

LOL..I know the feeling my first ride was at SWW after reading on here about guys turnin multiple laps there I thought I was gonna die the first trip up the hill. But its gettin better... ;D
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Dave G. on September 20, 2011, 08:56:17 AM
Awesome ride stories!  I managed to do 85 last year at BCB, but the last few miles always hurt and I cramped going up Combs "Road."  I have 22 years of running, nine marathons, and several road centuries that developed my mental capacity to push through pain and suffering, so I'm ready to take on 100 miles at the BCB this year.  Al Weir and I got in a very good 77 mile BCB pre-ride this past weekend, we followed the BCB route through the park, then rode through the horse camp to 135 and into Story, then picked up Nebo to the Maumee bridge, did the short loop on 18, 19, 20 back to Maumee, then upCombs road to Nebo, and retraced our way back to Story.  Due to a motorcycle crash/fatality on 135, we were forced to detour down to Christiansburg and over to Orchard Road to get back to the park, hit Limekiln and then the roads back to north gate.

We didn't cramp once, due to nailing our hydration and nutrition plan.  Six gel packs, two 24 oz bottles of double strength Perpetuem, 150 oz of straight water, two bananas, one apple, electrolyte caps and ibuprofen every 90 minutes.  The real key to long distance riding is to hydrate EARLY and OFTEN!  If you don't you can't play catch-up.  A way to gauge how your hydration is working, is to check how clear your urine is when you have to pee.  If it's clear or very light yellow, and you have to pee about every 1.5 to 2 hours, you're OK.  But if it's very dark, or you don't pee very often, you're getting dehydrated.

Dave
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: mgriffey on September 26, 2011, 12:57:44 PM
Awesome ride stories!  I managed to do 85 last year at BCB, but the last few miles always hurt and I cramped going up Combs "Road."  I have 22 years of running, nine marathons, and several road centuries that developed my mental capacity to push through pain and suffering, so I'm ready to take on 100 miles at the BCB this year.  Al Weir and I got in a very good 77 mile BCB pre-ride this past weekend, we followed the BCB route through the park, then rode through the horse camp to 135 and into Story, then picked up Nebo to the Maumee bridge, did the short loop on 18, 19, 20 back to Maumee, then upCombs road to Nebo, and retraced our way back to Story.  Due to a motorcycle crash/fatality on 135, we were forced to detour down to Christiansburg and over to Orchard Road to get back to the park, hit Limekiln and then the roads back to north gate.

We didn't cramp once, due to nailing our hydration and nutrition plan.  Six gel packs, two 24 oz bottles of double strength Perpetuem, 150 oz of straight water, two bananas, one apple, electrolyte caps and ibuprofen every 90 minutes.  The real key to long distance riding is to hydrate EARLY and OFTEN!  If you don't you can't play catch-up.  A way to gauge how your hydration is working, is to check how clear your urine is when you have to pee.  If it's clear or very light yellow, and you have to pee about every 1.5 to 2 hours, you're OK.  But if it's very dark, or you don't pee very often, you're getting dehydrated.

Dave

Did you carry all of that with you during the whole ride, or did you stash some of it and pick it up along the way?  How often are you taking those supplements?

My wife and I are starting to put in long rides and need some nutrition coaches.  My back seems to be the first thing to hurt on rides over 20 miles.  Is that what the ibuprophen is for?

Mike
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: Dave G. on September 26, 2011, 05:08:12 PM

Did you carry all of that with you during the whole ride, or did you stash some of it and pick it up along the way?  How often are you taking those supplements?

My wife and I are starting to put in long rides and need some nutrition coaches.  My back seems to be the first thing to hurt on rides over 20 miles.  Is that what the ibuprophen is for?

Mike

We carried everything we needed.  My Hydrapak bladder holds 100 oz of fluid, and I carried a fork pump, wallet, phone, camera, extra tube, multi-tool, sidecuts, zipties, co2 inflator and cartridges, lights, two bananas, apple, three envelopes of Perpetuem, eight gelpacks, ibuprofen and electrolyte caps.  I drank my bottle of Perpetuem and about 30 oz of water by the time we got to the end of Limekiln.  Mixed a new bottle and topped off my bladder, and didn't have to reload till we got back to the horse camp on our way back in from Story.  I intended to have the pack weigh as much as possible to get used to riding loaded down.  It was about 10 lbs.

Since we'll have sag stops it won't be necessary to carry that much water or food, since we can load our own sag bags to get taken to the sags.  If you have a 70 oz Camelbak/Hydrapak that should be fine.

The ibuprofen was for pain killing, I get a sore back too.

In general, my plan is to take a gelpack every 45 minutes, banana or some fruit every two hours, and three electrolyte caps every hour.  I'll drink a double strength bottle of Perpetuem over the course of every two hours, and reload the Hydrapack at every water opportunity.  The key to hydration is to force yourself to drink early and often.  It is easy to get caught up in the excitement of the first hour or two of the ride, but if you don't take in enough liquids in that time, it will make or break your ride.  You literally will need to drink at least 8 oz of water every 15 minutes.

Hope that helps!  Dave

 
Title: Re: How many miles can you ride?
Post by: chuckdlou on September 27, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
i'd say my top mileage in a day would be in the 90s on road and the 70s off road...that said, i haven't kept track of mileage in quite some time...anymore i look at hours away from the truck and the time riding vs the time sitting, adjusting the headset, scratching my balls, identifying funguses, napping, bird watching, eating cold pig, you know the rest of the fun stuff...the big reason i got away from mileage was that it doesn't translate...betcha i could go do 50 at town run no sweat, but 50 in the hoosier national forest is a different beast...50 in idaho scares me (longest ride i've done out there was probably in the mid 20s mile-wise and took 11 hours including hike-a-bike and orienteering)...it's all relative, but it's all fun too...