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HMBA Trail Information => Fort Harrison State Park => Topic started by: David Kuehnen on August 15, 2011, 10:17:24 AM

Title: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: David Kuehnen on August 15, 2011, 10:17:24 AM
Unauthorized Trail Modifications are NOT allowed.  Specifically the cutting down/removing of trail side trees.   The trail was painstaking laid up to minimize the impact to the environment, and where possible, saplings were avoided to allow them to grow.  So don't be an ARMHOLE and cut down or damage any of the trees that are along the trail, regardless if YOU feel that they are in your way.  If you have a legitimate concern about a tree, rock or any other feature along the trail that you feel needs to be modified, please raise the issue here on this forum.  Or better yet, show up at the weekly trail building sessions (most Saturdays at 8:00) and raise the issue. The Fort Ben Trail Crew will be happy to discuss these concerns and if it is felt that they are valid, we will make the modification to the trail.

Like Huff has said on another thread, Schoen Creek is an INTERMEDIATE TRAIL and it does have a goodly number of TECHNICAL FEATURES. Slow down and enjoy them.

Don't CHANGE the trail, let the trail CHANGE you!

Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: MWilliams on August 15, 2011, 03:59:47 PM
Don't CHANGE the trail, let the trail CHANGE you!

Well put!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/occasion14.gif)
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Doe on August 15, 2011, 08:29:59 PM
Don't CHANGE the trail, let the trail CHANGE you!

Yes, I like it, too!
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: getsometrail on August 16, 2011, 05:43:01 AM
Unauthorized trail modifiers SUCK >:( >:( >:(
The trail is awesome the way it was built.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Nikhil on August 17, 2011, 01:51:48 AM
The kind of people doing stuff like that probably don't read these boards.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Rcook on August 17, 2011, 12:10:30 PM
I know some of you will get a chuckle out of this but Im a rookie and just switched to clipless pedals . So if I stop to get a drink and forget my feet are locked in the pedals and fall over and snap a sappling would this be considered " Unauthorized Trail Modification" ?
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Kirk Wheeler on August 17, 2011, 01:07:30 PM
I know some of you will get a chuckle out of this but Im a rookie and just switched to clipless pedals . So if I stop to get a drink and forget my feet are locked in the pedals and fall over and snap a sappling would this be considered " Unauthorized Trail Modification" ?
In Germany you might be fined for the damage of the tree and all of the future saplings that tree would have produced. But "God bless America" you get a "get out of jail free pass"  ;D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: David Kuehnen on August 17, 2011, 01:21:18 PM
I know some of you will get a chuckle out of this but Im a rookie and just switched to clipless pedals . So if I stop to get a drink and forget my feet are locked in the pedals and fall over and snap a sappling would this be considered " Unauthorized Trail Modification" ?
Technically yes.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Doe on August 17, 2011, 01:29:24 PM
...and saplings are people too!  :-\
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: getsometrail on August 17, 2011, 08:34:04 PM
Video footage of this particular event or at least an equally appealing re-enactment would most likley get you off the hook ;D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Rcook on August 17, 2011, 08:42:28 PM
Video footage of this particular event or at least an equally appealing re-enactment would most likley get you off the hook ;D
Thats what I told my better half but she doesnt think its funny . I try to explain that nothin gets hurt but my pride.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Steve King on August 30, 2011, 10:03:12 AM
Had to "Un-Sanitize" the trail yesterday afternoon.  Someone piled up a bunch of rotting logs in an attempt to make a ramp coming off "The Box.  The logs could of shifted at anytime, causing a dangerous surprise endo.

As Dave say's "Don't CHANGE the trail, let the trail CHANGE you!"
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Rcook on August 30, 2011, 11:27:52 AM
I noticed last time I rode the trail some have started a cheater around one of the log crossings.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Dave G. on August 30, 2011, 01:06:34 PM
I noticed last time I rode the trail some have started a cheater around one of the log crossings.

Perhaps we could find some broken Hawthorn tree branches with particuarly nasty thorns we could strategically place on either side of the log features to discourage cheater lines, or pay the price. 

Just sayin'  ;D

Dave
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: gt ss on August 30, 2011, 09:06:48 PM
I noticed on my second lap that I left a "vapor trail" on my first lap. Is that what you'd call sanitizing??  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: tablair76 on August 30, 2011, 11:11:42 PM
Paul, Huf, Kirk, Do we need to look and see if there needs to be "an option" for people that don't feel secure enough to ride over the logs... I noticed the other day (2pm-ish) that a dad and his son stopped to "step over" one of the logs.. this caused a problem because someone was on a "hot Lap" and wasn't happy about having to slow down... they blew pass the kid right before the log and barely missed the dad after the log...
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: MikeHufhand on August 30, 2011, 11:45:53 PM
Paul, Huf, Kirk, Do we need to look and see if there needs to be "an option" for people that don't feel secure enough to ride over the logs... I noticed the other day (2pm-ish) that a dad and his son stopped to "step over" one of the logs.. this caused a problem because someone was on a "hot Lap" and wasn't happy about having to slow down... they blew pass the kid right before the log and barely missed the dad after the log...

It's not a bad idea to have options on a trail.   On the other hand, it's not always practical.   Again, it's an intermediate trail, so expect some challenges.  If someone is on what you call a "hot lap," this someone should have the skillset to slow down and be courtesy to another rider.   We can't micromanage everyone's ability to have common sense though.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Kirk Wheeler on August 31, 2011, 12:21:45 AM
Paul, Huf, Kirk, Do we need to look and see if there needs to be "an option" for people that don't feel secure enough to ride over the logs... I noticed the other day (2pm-ish) that a dad and his son stopped to "step over" one of the logs.. this caused a problem because someone was on a "hot Lap" and wasn't happy about having to slow down... they blew pass the kid right before the log and barely missed the dad after the log...
I am with Huff on this and if I am tired I get off my bike for the log overs and tabletop. If a hot shot is not considerate enough to slow down that person needs to practice his/her trail edicate! The trail is an intermediate skill level so relax and learn the trail flow and be kind and curtious to one another out there on the trail! ;D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: MWilliams on August 31, 2011, 04:15:45 AM
a dad and his son stopped to "step over" one of the logs.. this caused a problem because someone was on a "hot Lap" and wasn't happy about having to slow down... they blew pass the kid right before the log and barely missed the dad after the log...

That's sad, I hate to even hear that happening.  It absolutely irks me to no end. >:(
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Kirk Wheeler on August 31, 2011, 07:29:04 AM
reroutes to accommodate 29'ers should not be allowed either. If the trail is too technical for a 29er get a 26er they work every time! ;D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: deanarammalamma on August 31, 2011, 09:58:11 AM
reroutes to accommodate 29'ers should not be allowed either. If the trail is too technical for a 29er get a 26er they work every time! ;D

YEA KIRKY!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Doe on August 31, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
This may be a silly question but what would be too technical for a 29er on this trail?  ??? 
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Jeff Blum on August 31, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
what would be too technical for a 29er on this trail?  ??? 

Kirk.  Dave.  And Dean, evidently.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: David Kuehnen on August 31, 2011, 10:24:14 AM
I didn't catch that last remark as I have something in my ear.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: deanarammalamma on August 31, 2011, 10:51:24 AM
what would be too technical for a 29er on this trail?  ??? 

Kirk.  Dave.  And Dean, evidently.

8).. I have a 29er too, but prefer the 26er as my race bike. But you can call me technical, I won't mind. :D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: gt ss on August 31, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
reroutes to accommodate 29'ers should not be allowed either. If the trail is too technical for a 29er get a 26er they work every time! ;D

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Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Jeff Blum on August 31, 2011, 09:57:41 PM

DISLIKE!
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: David Kuehnen on September 01, 2011, 09:46:18 AM
Good people...let's not besmirch the Schoen Creek threads with the pointless argument on which wheel size is correct.   Anything from a 29er to a 20" BMX bike is welcomed at Schoen Creek.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Fett on September 01, 2011, 10:22:10 AM
I have yet to encounter a section that is too technical for a 29er. Too technical for my abilities, yes. Too technical for the 29er, no. It just may seem that way because you are carrying way more speed on a 29er  :o
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: tmac on September 01, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
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Too technical for the 29er, no. It just may seem that way because you are carrying way more speed on a 29er

Amen brother!  ;D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: Kirk Wheeler on September 02, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
Now we are getting closer to the issue! it is not the speed but the journey to enjoy! Reroutes on the new trail are not necessary when there is so much new trail to be built!  :D
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: GChambers on September 04, 2011, 07:53:47 PM
The trail is perfect for my 29er Monocog. :-)

I had some guy run me down at Town Run today while I was "showing the trail" to a beginner. The trail features are NOT the problem. The problem is people being inconsiderate. No matter what features there are on the trail some inconsiderate jerk is still going to be an inconsiderate jerk. I'd ask that you don't change a thing on the trail. It's fantastic the way it is. Changing the trail is not going to change anyone's behavior.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: merrill714 on September 14, 2011, 05:59:01 PM
At the pill box today someone had added rocks on both sides. They are not a problem but I wondered if HBMA put them there or someone else.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: deanarammalamma on September 14, 2011, 08:44:55 PM
Merril, that would not have been an HMBA modification. It should be removed.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: merrill714 on September 14, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
Ten Four, I will remove them if they are still there the next time I ride if someone else doesn't.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: gt ss on September 14, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
You'll have to move them far enough they can't "walk" back.
Title: Re: Unauthorized Trail Modifications
Post by: David Kuehnen on September 15, 2011, 07:03:19 AM
Rocks on the backside of the Pillbox are definately unauthorized trail modificationm. They may be the rocks that were laying along the left side of the trail at the armored tread. Down the hill from the pillbox. If you remove them from the pillbox, please move them back toward the armored tread as we (the fort ben trail crew) have plans for using them to fix the turn just past the armored tread.