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Other Great Indiana MTB Trails => Westwood => Topic started by: Rufhausen on May 23, 2006, 01:13:14 PM

Title: Trail Conditions
Post by: Rufhausen on May 23, 2006, 01:13:14 PM
Post Westwood trail conditions here.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paul_Arlinghaus on May 25, 2007, 08:37:06 PM
Here is useful link. I suggust bookmarking it.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ind/

Click on "Local Radar" on the left,

Then click on "storm total"

This is a good way to see how much rain some place else got.

So far it looks good.  Westwood got some rain yesterday, but that is a good thing as dry as it has been.  With everything as dry as it has been, a little bit of rain will soak in quickly.

Check this site in the morning and see if they got any rain over night.

Paul
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex on July 18, 2007, 11:18:43 PM
Tim and I made it out for a couple laps this evening.  The trails were in amazing shape, dry and tacky. 

Huge thanks to the WWW crew.  I was prepared to duck and cover in all the know ivy prone spots only to see that everything had been trimmed back or sprayed.  As tight as the undergrowth gets on this trail it was surprising to be able to roll the whole thing without being touched by the usual summertime growth, evidence that a lot of trimming hours have been spent.

It was also great to see how all of the new reroutes and additions that Huf has been working on lately have added to the trail.  His hard work has really made some of the formerly sticky and/or unsustainable sections a real treat to ride.  I really like the new crib on the old gravel section of the IMBA bench.  That blind corner was a little unfair for most and I'd imagine had only gotten worse this dry summer.  The new crib, benching and visual aid (rock) really make that corner nice.  Here's a photo of that corner the day it was built:  http://alexmtb.smugmug.com/gallery/3165132#174005219  We knew we'd have to crib it someday and 4 years later it's complete ;)




Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on December 08, 2007, 10:04:21 AM
http://www.hmba.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=44
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paul_Arlinghaus on March 04, 2008, 08:32:54 AM
I saw John last night and sent him off with a stack of "Don't Ride Muddy Trials" signs. 

There is a responsibility on our part to educate riders.  If I decide to go hike a trail, I don't log on the web and search for websites to find out the latest info on that hiking trail.  Just like John and Sally Q. Public, look out side and see the sun so they head of to the trails.   With no signs or warnings, they honestly don't see any reason why the trail should not be ridden. 

Most of the people I talk to at Town Run who are riding or unloading their bikes on a muddy day, honestly don't know that they shouldn't be riding that day. 

About half the people I talk to are very new to mountain biking (some on their first off road ride).  Often, I end up in long conversations, explaining HMBA, other places to ride, how to make bikes shift, what shop to go to, how to learn to ride, etc...

The real successes are when we see someone riding in the mud or about to and end up with a new HMBA member by the time we are done talking to them.

There are always going to be a very small percentage of people who don't care and will ride regardless of the damage it does.  These folks often get tired of being stopped and talk to,  and eventually figure out that we keep a pretty close watch on our trails.  I may not have ever played a CSI agent on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once, so I am pretty good at watching for tire tracks in the mud and figuring out when rogue riders are sneaking out for mud rides.  We eventually find them and have a chat and they realize that HMBA is a bit harder to a allude than a park ranger. 

Paul

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: onandoff on March 04, 2008, 10:39:33 AM
and don't forget to mention the $ factor. Most might know but some don't that muddin' can do a bit of damage to the bikes as well. Chains, cogs, brakes and derailleurs can wear out faster when ridden during trail damaging conditions. Not only is staying of soft trails the right thing to do but it also saves money. I bet that money saved could buy the whole family HMBA memberships or at least some quality 6-packs and a few videos to make it through the freeze/thaw cycles.
...and now for something completely different (sort of)... http://www.freezethaw.com/ (http://www.freezethaw.com/)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crewan on November 21, 2009, 10:09:46 PM
Good news!  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crewan on November 22, 2009, 08:16:24 PM
Trail conditions are great and the weather was perfect today.  I would get out and ride while the conditions hold.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Mikey on November 28, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
Anyone ride the last 24 hours that can give an update on conditions? Thanks.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ty Peck on November 28, 2009, 10:08:10 PM
Rode a lap late this afternoon and most of the trail was in great shape.  However, many of the hills facing the West and especially a lot of trail in the last 2 miles were very greasy and slick in spots.  Should be OK in the morning until the sun starts warming everything up again.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on November 29, 2009, 07:04:29 PM
I rode today at 12:40. The trail was pretty much dry except for a few small puddles. There were a few greasy hills that I fell over on and became one with earth ( Still learning when to kick out of the SDPs). I also found that my stock tires on my bike are probably a 3 on a scale to 10 for mud. All in all the trail was great.
All in all, this report is pretty much useless due to the rain thats coming down right now. I wanted to write this because I want to say that mountain biking is a true blessing for me. I had a huge hole in my soul since not being able to go out and run my 3 to 5 miles anymore. I now get off the trail at WW and I drive away feeling like putty...but its a good putty. I have also met some great folks also. And thanks to everyone that took time to build these great trails we all ride. I plan to get out and help with these trails when I can from now on.
Take care.
 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on December 05, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
Think it will be frozen enough tomorrow morning to ride?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on December 11, 2009, 07:33:25 AM
Frozen trails rock! Frozen toes....not.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mrbiggerstaff on December 11, 2009, 05:56:21 PM
Couple of us are hitting the trail at 6:45am Saturday for two laps....not that anyone would want to join us or anything... but just sayin'
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mrbiggerstaff on December 12, 2009, 11:44:59 AM
Trail frozen this am.  Watch for a few small limbs across the trail and the frosty bridges!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on January 17, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
hello ran ww today 2 trees down before the brdg 7 and a bigger one after that also one down around 8.5 .and one down before power line going counter clock wise about 1 min run, crazy ice fisherman out. the central indiana wilderness club is going to hike there next sat i introduced the park to a member the time is on their website. i didnt know if any of the ww people might want to meet them. saw 12 deer driving in by the speedway nice. none while running
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mrbiggerstaff on February 12, 2010, 11:46:26 AM
Anyone tried riding here lately with the snow?  Do tell.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: WheezerMF on March 01, 2010, 09:24:50 PM
I'm betting the trails will take weeks to melt & firm up enough to sustain traffic (tire OR foot!).  Ugh...!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on March 17, 2010, 12:42:19 PM
I doubt the trails are dry enough yet at Westwood since it has been so cold at night and we got an absolute soaker over the weekend.  However, I will try to stop by there this evening and make an offcial check.

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mrbiggerstaff on March 18, 2010, 11:10:33 AM
Thanks!  Do tell what you find.  And also if you think Friday would be rideable.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mrbiggerstaff on March 19, 2010, 01:04:03 PM
What's the story friends?  Anderson is dry.  How bout WW?  Its gotta be huh? 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on March 20, 2010, 08:32:07 AM
Sorry but bike problems prevented me from trying to ride Westwood so I can't speak for the whole trail.  I did walk about 300 yards backwards from the beginning and based on that I think the whole trail will be good today.   However, sometimes in the spring certain sections take longer to dry out than others.  But based on the summer drying pattern WW should be really good today.  My only concern is places like the big dig that take a long time to dry out initially in the spring.  Also, be aware that I don't think the park has cleared downed trees from the offseason yet and so I am sure there are some somewhere.

Bottom line - I am going to give it a shot and I don't expect to be surprised by wet trails except one or two very short stretches if at all.  I will post after ride if I actually get to ride this time. 

Of course the rain that is predicted for later today and during the week will shut us out for awhile so get out now. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dayres on March 20, 2010, 05:49:06 PM
I rode today at WW, first outing this year, oh how quickly one loses their climbing legs (and lungs) after sitting behind a computer screen 13 hours a day all winter long.  The trail was rideable, but far from ideal.  Very slow in my opinion, the uphills felt like twice the work as normal.  Only a few spots are "muddy", and surprisingly, these were mainly the open areas of the trail where the sun beats down on them all day long.  There is a significant mud patch after bridge 14 that is pretty hazardous for about 20 feet or so.  There are a few trees down here and there; I, with th help of another gentleman, stopped and removed the lone down tree that could be moved without a saw.

My guess is that it will be late April / early May before the trail could be considered "fast" again. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on March 20, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Dayres described conditions accurately.  I was happy to see that there was less damage from people riding when too wet at this point in the year than the last couple years. 

If we get all the rain as predicted in the extended forecast it will probably be 2 weeks before Westwood will be rideable again.  Let's hope it changes for the better.

Ride on.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on March 26, 2010, 07:14:05 PM
Anyone know how the trail is looking for this weekend?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on March 29, 2010, 08:19:25 AM
ran ww  saturday a big tree down after bridge 7 and a another smaller one at about 8.5 miles. trail fairly dry wet in usual spots was frozen at 8 am and started getting slick at 9 am. saw 3 bikes and a deer swimming across lake he started at the little benches on the east side and went straight across. i  knocked alot of branches off trail in parts i dont think anybody had been around for a while. also was wondering if they moved the trail (heading back west}in the big dig up closer to the tree line if it would be alot  drier up higher ground?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on March 29, 2010, 10:29:11 AM
ran ww  saturday a big tree down after bridge 7 and a another smaller one at about 8.5 miles. trail fairly dry wet in usual spots was frozen at 8 am and started getting slick at 9 am. saw 3 bikes and a deer swimming across lake he started at the little benches on the east side and went straight across. i  knocked alot of branches off trail in parts i dont think anybody had been around for a while. also was wondering if they moved the trail (heading back west}in the big dig up closer to the tree line if it would be alot  drier up higher ground?

Might be drier higher up.  The trail was laid out keeping in mind that the horses were using the trail close to the location you bring up.   Obviously, that would be a very bad situation if that was still the case.   I'm not sure if the horses are currently allowed in that area now.   

The problem with the big dig has always been the fact that all of the good top soil was taken away to help build the dam.  Thus the name, " Big Dig."   You would have to go up slope quite abit to get to the good soil.   Believe it or not, It might be more time effective just to rock armor the existing trail.

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: DaFounder on March 31, 2010, 07:49:13 PM
I wonder what the trail conditions will be like Saturday. I am wanting to get back on a bike. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 01, 2010, 01:34:40 PM
based on walking a small section of westwood conditions should be good except a couple places that haven't transitioned to summer drying pattern.  Go ride.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: a_ratcliffe on April 02, 2010, 10:01:36 AM
Rode it 4/1 and the conditions were very good.  97% dry with a few areas wet and a few really muddy.  Today whould be even better.  Most of the trail has been cleared of fallen trees.  Watch your head in a few areas, though.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on April 04, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
Is the trail good to ride today?

--edit-- 04 05 10

I see the "status light" on the main hmba web page is yellow.  Probably heading out there tonight if it stays that way. 

With 40 MPH wind gusts it might be hard to dodge falling limbs, trees and woodland creatures.  We will see.   :o
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on April 07, 2010, 11:50:46 AM
We rode WW last night and conditions were almost perfect.  A few usual spots were evident, but they also tend to heal well quickly.

I big tree was down right before "lights out bridge," but Jan got it removed this morning.

Go ride Westwood.  It rocks.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: vonbearsalot on April 07, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
How was the rain there today?  Will it be ready to ride this weekend?  I might make a Saturday morning trip and try to get a couple of loops in.  Itching to get off my skinny road wheels...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: fubar on April 08, 2010, 10:43:54 AM
It was torrential last night and rained several hours.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: vonbearsalot on April 08, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
It was torrential last night and rained several hours.

Well shoot.  I've never been, does it dry out quickly enough at this time of year?  Will it be rideable Saturday?  Supposed to be nice tomorrow...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on April 08, 2010, 10:52:18 PM
It was torrential last night and rained several hours.

Well shoot.  I've never been, does it dry out quickly enough at this time of year?  Will it be rideable Saturday?  Supposed to be nice tomorrow...

Westwood drys fast, especially with a few warm windy days.  Without anymore rain, I bet by Sat afternoon, you would be fine.   If it rains again, all bets are off.  Hopefully John, Bryon, Don, Ben, or some other local will chime in.   
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 09, 2010, 10:37:46 AM
Can't promise but will try to walk a little of it this evening.  Will post if I make it there.  I doubt it will be dry enough yet today.  Maybe tomorrow afternoon.  Westwood does dry quickly once it settles into its summer drying pattern but it probably hasn't dried enough from the spring pattern to be that way yet.  Let's hope no rain on Sunday!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 09, 2010, 09:55:02 PM
Westwood is good.  The usual spring wetspots but until it rains again have at it. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bobboyan on April 13, 2010, 07:50:56 PM
I just rode this afternoon, and Westwood is great right now! Almost a little too fast for my first 9.6mile off road this year.  Kudos to the crew that keeps the trail maintained.  For all you on the north side of Indy mourning the loss of TRTP this season b/c of construction, Westwood is worth the 40 minute drive. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: vonbearsalot on April 16, 2010, 10:50:02 AM
Westwood is good.  The usual spring wetspots but until it rains again have at it. 

Thanks for the update...I made it down both Saturday and Sunday, fun Saturday but much better (drier, faster) on Sunday.  Will definitely be down more this summer, probably camp some long weekend.

Great loop.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on April 17, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
Saw that the Boy Scouts were camping out last night. And, a trailer of mountain bikes was going into the park as I was leaving. If you ride today, just be aware that the trail might have a fair number of younger kids out riding.

I know the Scout Master for this troop. He called me last night and asked if I could help lead them again, but I have plans today. If you are out there, please stop and say hi, and ask if they need any help. These are our next trail worker/HMBA board members/racer in our sport.

Please be patient and understanding,
Thanks,
Dno
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on April 17, 2010, 09:05:49 AM
Trail Bosses, please post Trail Condition updates today (4/16/10). I'd like to update the www.hmba.org trail status chart.

Green = All Dry
Yellow = some puddles/slick spots
Red = wet, please don't ride

Thanks!
Dno
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 17, 2010, 09:17:05 AM
As far as dryness Westwood will be green.  In fact, we ended up getting no measurable rain yesterday just some sprinkles so it will probably be drier than optimal conditions in most places. 

Green Green Green!

I will hopefully get out today but tomorrow if not.  Ride on!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on April 17, 2010, 02:05:22 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dayres on April 17, 2010, 05:45:59 PM
WW is in great shape.  Rode today, its starting to feel fast again.  Much better than a month ago.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rider99 on April 17, 2010, 10:02:43 PM
rides real nice ,the wet spots are mostly dried out,tacky.Could still use some trail work,some leaners reducing overhead clearance and brush piles pinching trail width in a spot or two. Bring money ,the gate is collecting(worth it)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on April 24, 2010, 03:01:18 PM
trail nice this morning  i ran clock wise only saw two bikers passed 3 runners together twice said they were running it 4 times. had best time ever 1:22.  also what happend to Mister Rogers ??? is he still in the hood!!!  will get mongoose out after the indy mini marathon
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 27, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
1:22 on foot.  Seems pretty impressive to me.  Of course 4 laps on foot does as well.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 27, 2010, 10:16:20 PM
I haven't had a chance to check out Westwood and don't anticipate being able to this week.  I would guess that it won't quite be dry enough tomorrow due to cold temps tonight and large amount of rain we got.  Should be ok on Thursday.  If anybody has been there please post conditions. 

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dayres on April 28, 2010, 09:59:50 AM
I hiked Westwood with my son on Sunday, it was pretty slick, rain was still coming down.  Several spots were holding water.  There are a few trees down, and several that are on the verge of collapse.  If I remember correctly, two were in the forest close to the trail where is connects to the horse trail for the first time, where a few residences sit on the hill (if the forest) over looking the trail. 

On the back end of the trail, just before the flotation bridge, I noticed a ton of horsetracks in the muddy surface of the trail, they were headed counterclockwise.  I don't believe this to be a shared portion of the trail.

How does one get involved in the maintenance of this trail system?  Westwood is close to my home (so is Rangeline, but it appears to have lots of trail hands) and I'd like to help out if there ever is some brush clearing, etc.  I plan to hike / ride the trail quite a bit this summer.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on April 28, 2010, 11:20:09 PM
Dayres,

I sent you a private message regarding trail work at Westwood.  Thanks for the offer!

And thanks for the heads up regarding horse tracks.  Usually horse poaching seems to happen when it is like it was this past weekend - too wet to ride on a mtb.  Of course as you know, this is also when the damage is greatest.

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rider99 on May 05, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
Rode WW 5/3/10, had to do some redecorating along trail,branches down all along due to storms,passable now except for big slick tree over trail b-4 bridge #4 near 2 mile mark.Gonna need some lumberjacking for that.The big dig was sloppy across middle.Some dismounting required in the new reroute area.Pine woods area dry,exit that sometimes gets sloppy surprisingly dry.Still some low overheads from leaners in spots,mind yer head.               Update 5/6;        Another tree down that needs some Axe Men. A couple switchbacks after floating bridge, b-4 bridge 20,huge dead tree across trail not far from a previous tree fall that forced a reroute,you cant reroute around this one though, you gotta crawl under then pull yer bike through gap.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave G. on May 08, 2010, 04:16:59 PM
The SWW Trail Bums rode WW today, it was greasy in spots but rideable for the most part.  Warren picked up a thorn and flatted his rear tire, but other than that our ride was fun, and cold.  We had ridden Rangeline a little earlier, so our day was filled with two-wheeled adventure!

Dave
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 15, 2010, 01:30:27 PM
Rode a few laps@WW this morning.  The tread is 99% perfect.  Infact, it got better every lap, so Sat afternoon and onward should be about perfect.  Still abit weedy though.  The honeysuckle is poking out in several places and being an outright pest causing some blind corners in others.  The big dig has been weedwacked and looks good.   Several parts of the trail have calf high weeds where ya really have to thread the needle.  Overall, it's not bad, I've seen it worse, but it could be better too!

I'm no plant doctor, but most of the thick stuff looks to be non-threatening.  However, if you are poison ivy prone, as a precaution I'd be sure to wash off with some soap and water after your ride. 

Overall a great ride.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on May 15, 2010, 07:13:56 PM
Rode a lap this afternoon. Every time I ride Westwood I think two things - geez, why don't I ride here more, and wow, what an awesome trail.

Trail conditions overall were pretty good. It was spitting rain quite a bit, but not enough to be affecting the trail. Finished at 5:15. Things should stay good unless a soaking rain sets in.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: TheO on May 16, 2010, 08:39:02 AM
Mike,

Are the 2 big trees that where down cleared up? 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: jasonhilt on May 16, 2010, 08:47:11 AM
Yes the trees are gone.  Rode yesterday and the trail was clear.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: 2wheelcrazy on May 16, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
Trail was in excellent shape other than a little over growth. WARNING Be careful about the geese that have little ones. Got attacked by about 6-9 geese three different time they were hissing and charging at us and they are not afraid. One was flying towards us and had to knock it down with a front wheel and still was on a charge. Wish I had my GoHero video to show everyone.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: chez whitey on May 16, 2010, 10:30:11 PM
Same here.  I got ambushed by the floating bridge.  Took a couple of minutes to work my way through.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 17, 2010, 06:51:33 AM
Hmm.. I'm not sure I have a Trail Status color for Partly Goosey 8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: richmondrider on May 19, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
Any predictions as to trail status tomorrow afternoon?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 19, 2010, 03:54:12 PM
My guess is it will still be too wet, since it's rained for the past 2 or 3 days, and has been cloudy all day today. Keep an eye here though, maybe someone will venture out and give a report.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rider99 on May 20, 2010, 12:08:11 PM
in addition to the geese & kin slowing you down,there is a couple dogs that like to run the trail usually from the pines to the car lot that can encourage an increase of speed. :o  I think they're harmless tho but startling at first.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: BSUB on May 20, 2010, 06:09:56 PM
i rode the trail today. ranger said it was ok to ride and it was a bit slick with only one 25 yard spot that was pretty bad.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 21, 2010, 07:37:37 AM
After last night's rain, it'd be a good idea to stay off the trail for a day
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Guy on May 22, 2010, 06:34:41 AM
If somebody could give an outlook for trail conditions on Sunday afternoon, I'd appreciate it. ....Thanks.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on May 22, 2010, 09:43:00 PM
I didn't make it out to Westwood today.  I would say that based on the field behind our house it will still be too wet tomorrow.  Also, Don was on the trail Thursday and it was "greasy" then and we got some signifcant rain after that.  That combined with the high humidity today will probably mean "red" conditions tomorrow.  Probably yellow conditions on Monday and green by Tuesday assuming no rain in that time.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 24, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Made a call to John Rogers, who lives basically on the WW property, and he said it was a go yesterday afternoon.   So I went ahead and put in a few laps and the trail was in good shape, 99% perfect.  On the east side, there's a 30 yard stretch of trail that's pretty sloppy, but always drys last and has needed to be rock armored for quite some time anyway.  Can't see damaging this piece anymore than what it already is.     Except for a few other minor dips around the park and some weedy sections, WW is good to go.   Infact, with today's heat going forward, WW will get better and better.

Go ride WW.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ERJ-Drvr on May 24, 2010, 05:32:46 PM
On the east side, there's a 30 yard stretch of trail that's pretty sloppy

Ditto...Sloppy part just north of bridge #16.
.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 24, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
Close enough to Green. Thanks!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanna on May 28, 2010, 04:30:04 AM
Any rain on the 27th?  It seems the rain gods are pretty determined that I get no dirt time this year...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 28, 2010, 08:13:55 AM
I was watching the radar on my cell phone last night, and it looked like it rained fairly well. Not as much as down south though. I'm going to make the status YELLOW until I get eye witness accounts.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 29, 2010, 11:00:13 PM
Rode the trail today.. All in all it's in great shape. Like Don said, there were a few slick spots and one or 2 pretty big mud holes, but all in all it's great. I've turned the status GREEN, since it's mostly in great shape. If one of the trail bosses disagree, post here. I'll change it back.

LOVE THIS TRAIL!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: badamsx1 on June 01, 2010, 01:02:38 PM
I rode this trail on Monday 5/31.  It was fairly slick in a lot of spots and some low places that were holding water.  I understand it rained in New Castle on 5/30, although the parking lot looked fine.  I would say the trail needs a couple of days without rain to make it decent again, although I'm not familiar on how long this trail takes to dry out.  With more rain in the forecast, it might take a while for this trail to dry out.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on June 06, 2010, 11:39:30 AM
I just called and spoke with a gentlemen at Westwood.  He said the trails are closed today. No surprise - too much rain.
 
I told him how much we mountain-bikers appreciate the trails and all that the park does. He said they would like to have it open today, but  just can't do it.  I told him us HMBA folks understand and want to do our part to keep the trails in good shape, even when that means not riding.

I would put the trail status to red.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 06, 2010, 08:11:45 PM
Done! Thanks Dave. Please post here when and if you find out when the trails open. It might be nice if one of your park contact could update the forum (or email me). Would you mind making that suggestion to your contact?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: booxe on June 12, 2010, 12:02:21 PM
Called Westwood an hour ago & found out it's closed.  Mr. Ranger said they got a ton of rain yesterday and it was raining there when I called.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 12, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
Called Westwood an hour ago & found out it's closed.  Mr. Ranger said they got a ton of rain yesterday and it was raining there when I called.

Thanks for the updated! Noted on the Trail Status
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 17, 2010, 10:46:49 AM
I just called the WW Park Office. The trails are still "muddy as can be", and still closed.

Status = Red
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crewan on June 20, 2010, 08:47:01 PM
 Any word on trail conditions?  Hope to ride on Monday evening.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 20, 2010, 10:15:41 PM
Any word on trail conditions?  Hope to ride on Monday evening.

I find the best thing to do is call the park. Their phone number is listed on their web page here:
http://www.visitwestwood.com/

I'll do this tomorrow and provide an update.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 21, 2010, 07:46:41 AM
ran westwood saturday VERY muddy, some kind of small biting flys out in full force had to go back and put hat and shirt on to run, there is a tree down just north of bridge #9, also there used to be a little bit of a path from bridge #7 to the water spigot on the east side was wondering if a small trail could be weed wacked to that i bet lot of people dont even know it and the restrooms are even there on that side.  also the older bridges are very slick so be careful when hitting them on the bike at a odd angle would be easy to go down. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 21, 2010, 09:45:29 AM
I just spoke with the Park. They are currently open, but there are storms rolling through as we speak. I'm going to turn the trail Yellow, and will call them back tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 21, 2010, 01:52:34 PM
i forgot there are 3 or 4 places of major poison ivey thats hanging way into the trial up to about head level if on a bike cant remember but you would run thru easily if going very fast on a bike. and it might have been hanging out more in the trail cause it was wet??
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 21, 2010, 02:04:39 PM
Status changed back to Red.. that didn't last very long :(
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 24, 2010, 01:08:55 PM
Noted on the trail status. I hope you guys get a big turn out!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave G. on June 27, 2010, 10:25:10 AM
Bumping to GREEN

Dave
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on June 27, 2010, 06:43:36 PM
Still Green, or did you get some wet down there?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: jntlin on June 29, 2010, 11:40:45 AM
Has anyone been out to Westwood yet today? I'm calling the gatehouse in a bit to find out if it's still sloppy...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Attila on June 29, 2010, 09:41:02 PM
MOst of the trail is in great shape. I would say 99.5%. Still the 0.5% will make up an 80 yard long stretch of mud :) seriously a few wet spots. some deep mud, but overall less than 20 puddles. A lot of branches hanging into the trail, so be careful. And yeah. Be nice with the old lady at the gate. and wear your helmet!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: RdandMtnBkr on June 30, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Has Westwood dried out?  Going there tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mdbhound25 on June 30, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
Rode WW today.  I intended to ride 2 laps but didn't ride the 2nd.  I have to say that unfortunately WW has really declined over the past year.  Debris along with rocks/ weeds on the trail as well as several mud holes really has taken it's toll.  I think that there are just less wheels on the trail as well as erosion from multi-use including horses.  I hope noone takes offense but WW used to be a great trail with loads of flowing singletrack as well as climbs, technical descents, and all those bridges.  It's just not the same trail anymore and with other great options like Rangeline and soon to be Ft. Ben, I fear it may only get worse...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rider99 on June 30, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
some of those branches in the trail bite back(wear armour),there was a tree down blocking the trail(6-26) which severely interrupts "flow",,but once those things are addressed,which seem to get done timely in season,I ride here as often as possible, IMHO the wildness is part of WW's charm
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 30, 2010, 11:41:51 PM
mdbhound25,

Thanks for your input. As a local rider who also volunteers to maintain WW, I'm glad to have your observations. Constructive criticism is always welcome. I don't want to hijack this thread, but any additional specifics you can provide about what needs done at WW would be greatly appreciated.

You obviously have seen that part of the trail was weed-whacked by volunteers last Saturday. We had a small but enthusiastic crew. The park staff will be doing additional miles (from the park road going north), and John Rogers and I will be getting to the first 2 miles next week. Weeds and limbs have been a major concern of numerous riders this spring/summer, including myself.

What else can we do to bring WW up to par? Your input or that of anyone else is of help.

Don

Hey Don,

I'm pretty sure I know where the biggest mudholes are located on the eastside.   This is just past the bridge that you and John extended a year or two ago and is working out great I might add.  We've tried several reroutes in this particular area.  John and I shot the grades with the clinometer making sure we didn't blow the half-rule, yet still this area remains wet, even when the rest of the trail tread around the park is nearly perfect.   Like the "big dig," once this section drys out completely, were good to go the rest of the year.  But it's getting worse every year, because the user caused erosion isn't being addressed.
 

For what it's worth, I think our best solution now would be to armor this section with crushed stone and re-establish the correct outslope on the tread.  By mixing the crushed stone with the heavy clay content soil, we will make the mixture more porous, yet hardened to resist tire ruts.  I call this making "Pisgah soil."   Not sure if you've been to Pisgah yet, but I do believe God purposefully mixed the soil there for perfect rainy day mountain biking...it's truly amazing stuff.   

If we could get some crushed stone delivered just off the horse trail near this section, we could have a good shot of permanently fixing this area. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mdbhound25 on June 30, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
Don,

Unfortunately, I am not a trail builder.  (When my kids get older and I am finished coaching/ dragging them around, I hope to learn and help) so I would defer to a strong builder.  However, I am an avid rider and have ridden all over the country and I think we should be proud of what the trail builders have done in Indiana with significantly less terrain to work with.

As for WW, I did notice the cleared weeds which helped significantly in the middle - maybe miles 5-8? so great job by your team.  The overgrown weeds make it very difficult unless you ride there weekly to maintain speed.  With the more exposed roots and like of sight angles, cranking around turns can prove dangerous regardless of your skill level.  The challenge is since there has been significant erosion, there are more exposed pieces of wood 'snipers' which like to catch pedals as well as exposed roots which are great for downhills but seriously iinterupt flow on the short or sustained uphills.  I would suspect that reroutes may need to be put in place to maintain the same feel of WW from a year or two ago.  I'm not sure if possible, but some alternate obstacles i.e. ladder/ teeter/ drop etc.. would inject a little freshness as well.

Hopefully you take this as it is intended as constructive feedback from a rider who gets out to WW once a month.  If you plan any big projects, while I would have limited time, I may be able to lend my back...

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 01, 2010, 06:48:10 AM
Back on topic.. How are the trail conditions? Green? Yellow? Chartreuse?  8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: HARVEY on July 02, 2010, 07:04:09 AM
DON,

I WAS OUT ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. THE TRAIL IS DRY EXCEPT FOR THE MUD HOLES BETWEEN 5 AND 6 AND THE 2 SPOTS IN THE 1ST MILE. COLOR SHOULD BE GREEN.

HARVEY
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeVK on July 02, 2010, 08:57:30 AM
I finally got to ride after work Thursday night.  The trail is in great shape, except a couple soft spots as Harvey noted above, and one downed tree with a few vines that gave me fits when i tried to slide my bike under it.  Score one for being uncoordinated!

I just wanted to a take a second to thank the guys who have been working on this trail.  I've really noticed improvement in the trail over the last few years.  All the new bridges, a little rock 'n roll, and several re-routes have really added to the flow.  That and the unrelenting short climbs make it a great fun workout!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 02, 2010, 08:57:36 AM
Green it is!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Charlie Myer on July 11, 2010, 06:17:27 AM
Trail was in great shape Saturday morning!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on July 12, 2010, 08:36:02 AM
Is the trail open?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 12, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
Is the trail open?



I'd suggest calling the park. Westwood Park is responsible for making that call. If they received the rain we had in Indy last night, it'll be wet.

P.S.  I accidentally hit "modify" instead of "quote" for you post. Sorry about that 8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on July 12, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
Rode a few laps at WW yesterday.  The trail tread was dry and actually could've used some moisture.  The mudholes past bridge 16 were even drying out.  I'd say this afternoon would probably be decent.   Expect some overgrowth though.   
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mtnbikerdenis on July 16, 2010, 10:35:30 PM
Went to Westwood this afternoon (4pm). A few damp spots. A few wet spots with the 2 worst spots being at the first place the horse and bike trails converge. (Lots of horse poop, too!) The other spot is just after bridge 16, I believe.
There are a few branches down. I picked up and moved a couple I thought were hazards. I did not have any trouble riding over the others. There were a couple of spots with vines/branches hanging a bit low.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: chez whitey on July 17, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Rode this morning about 9:00.  Mud in the usual spots but otherwise trial was fine.  Moved a couple of down trees and picked up some garbage.  How hard is it to pick up your trash?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on July 17, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
What kind of trash? I rarely see trash on the trail.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: chez whitey on July 18, 2010, 09:10:29 AM
I didn't mean to imply there was a lot.  Just a few plastic bottles and such.  You're right, Westwood is one of the cleanest trails around.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: plapham on July 24, 2010, 08:21:10 AM
How hard is it to pick up your trash?

Easy for some moron to discard ???
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dayres on July 24, 2010, 08:07:58 PM
Trails in good shape, appears to have few chronic mudholes, but the remaining 99.5% is in excellent shape.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gottabeoutdoors on July 25, 2010, 09:13:33 AM
I just called the park gate to make sure the trail was fine before making the drive to that side of the state.

The gatekeeper told me it rained all night and it was raining there right now.

He says the trail is closed.   Sounds like it needs the red light.   :'(
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 25, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
Red it is..Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: HARVEY on July 27, 2010, 08:07:59 PM
You might want to change the status to green. Rode there yesterday and today and the trail is dry except for a couple of turns and the short section 1/2 way between MM5 and MM6.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 27, 2010, 08:40:18 PM
Done! Thanks Harv!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 30, 2010, 07:58:29 AM
Westwood is open. Back to green, please.

Done. Thanks Don! BTW, would you like to be the official WW Trail Status update guy? If so, I'll send you the instructions. No biggie, if not. I don't mind doing it.

Dno
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on July 31, 2010, 07:36:48 PM
Westwood will be red at least until Monday. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on August 01, 2010, 08:03:09 AM
BTW, would you like to be the official WW Trail Status update guy? If so, I'll send you the instructions. No biggie, if not. I don't mind doing it.

I'll be glad to help. Send info when you get a chance.

Don. Thanks Don!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on August 01, 2010, 11:23:39 AM
Westwood will be red at least until Monday.

Have been thinking of heading out to WW. Green status has been showing for a while, then I noticed this post.

Can anyone reconcile these two bits of info?   ???

EDIT:  I guess I got my answer!  (red now)   :)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on August 06, 2010, 10:02:30 PM
A group of 3 of us rode tonite. The trail is in very good condition,save for the mud pit past bridge 16 and a few other scattered mud holes.  I tried de berming the smaller mud holes but with no trail tools and only armed with a stick. I did not get much accomplished.
but will help out on future visits, if allowed and help wanted.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mikejohnson on August 07, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
I spent about 5 1/2 hours pruning today. I was able to get the area between the big dig and rocks & roll complete. I rode later in the day and found that between mile marker 8 & 9 really needs to be pruned. Even the pine forest has grown in substantially since I've been out there in early June.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on August 09, 2010, 10:32:21 AM
I spent about 5 1/2 hours pruning today. I was able to get the area between the big dig and rocks & roll complete. I rode later in the day and found that between mile marker 8 & 9 really needs to be pruned. Even the pine forest has grown in substantially since I've been out there in early June.

Nice work MJ!

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Nitainium on August 09, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Trail rode great today with with only a tree down near BR 6. 
Told the gate about the downed tree.
 
Mike Miller 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on August 11, 2010, 03:29:19 PM
Rode Westwood early this morning, great ride before the heat!!  Great ride, met Mr. Rogers on the trail with his son taking some pictures.  We did have some heavy rain for about 30-45 minutes this afternoon :-[.  I'd planned on riding it again this evening but I guess that's out now.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on August 15, 2010, 11:08:55 AM
There are still some slick spots out there - especially around the shared trail and between miles 4-6. Otherwise it is good to go. Green with a yellow tint might work!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on August 16, 2010, 09:48:50 AM
Also, kudos to whoever rerouted the trail below the dike. It makes much more sense where it is now! :)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: kjsayers on August 16, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
Green...Go ride
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: getsometrail on August 22, 2010, 09:55:25 PM
Rode the loop today and the little bit of rain we got on Sat morning was just enough to knock the dust off.  The trails were great. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on August 30, 2010, 04:58:47 PM
Rode Saturday Aug 28.  Trail is in great shape.  Thanks to those that keep the trail trimmed.  I used to ride there once per week.  I think I'm going to start doing that again.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 02, 2010, 09:11:42 AM
Rode yesterday, use caution between bridges 20 and 21 there is a tree down across the trail.  Park staff knows and said they will get to it ASAP, so it may be gone today sometime, also on the downhill just past the tree before bridge 21 there is a hole in the trail on the downhill side of some tree roots in the center of the trail that will send you over the bars if you don't see it, don't ask how I know!  It looks as if there has ben a rock there and someone removed the rock but didn't fill in the hole.  I kicked some dirt in it but it is still really soft and will cause some unsuspecting rider some problems.  On the up side I got to ride my new Trek EX 7 out there and it's awesome!  I love my new bike!  It's a huge step up from my Specialized Hardrock Comp Disc hardtail!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ruffrider on September 02, 2010, 05:14:49 PM
Rode this afternoon and the tree firefighter56 mentioned
was gone! Also did not see the hole.  But I did manage
to go over the handlebars for the first time in a long time.
The trail is dry and dusty and that creates real problems.
A little rain would really help.

Firefighter56 I am glad you took my advice and got a full
suspension bike. I talked to you at bridge 4 awhile back and
mentioned how a full suspension bike is well worth the small
speed you give up in leaving a hard tail behind and going to
a full suspension bike.  Let us know if you really notice any
loss of speed on the uphill sections due to rear wheel compression.
My bet is that you will notice very little loss of speed if any at all.

The next couple of weekends will see lots of horses out on the shared
trail since the Madison county saddle club will be camped out at the
group camp on the east side of the lake. Then the Henry county saddle
club will camp out there the next weekend. So plenty of horses will be
out there on the shared trail for the next two weekends. Be aware.

Westwood! WOO HOO!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 06, 2010, 09:05:20 PM
I'm glad the tree is gone, and the hole is also.  I told them about both and it seems that they got it taken care of!  As far as the bikes go, I guess I'm not fast enough to tell a difference, but one thing I did notice is that the Trek gets more traction, but I thing that is just the difference in tires!  Rode Town Run tonight and after getting used to Westwood it isn't much of a workout.  I rode 3 laps and felt like I'd just gotten about half way at Westwood.  It is a very well taken care of fun trail to ride though, and I will go back!  It will be a good quick ride to do when I leave the firehouse before I come back home, I work for Fishers and live about 5 miles from Westwood.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 11, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
Rode Westwood today.  Best conditions of the year, not muddy, not dusty really kinda tacky.  Great grip and probably as fast as Westwood could ever be!  I went out about 4:00 and could see that there had been 1 person out there before me but there was no car in the lot when I showed up.  No new ruts or soft trail, just tracks.  There was no water standing on the trail, not even after bridge 16 where it's always wet.  Great ride, but I tagged a tree and got a thorn in my rear tire, but it held up until I got home.  Go Ride!!!!!

Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on September 13, 2010, 05:29:52 AM
The trail was perfect. The weather was perfect. I rode two laps and was suprised at the number of bikers, runners and hickers. The last time i saw this amount of traffic at westwood, was at the last dino race, years ago.
Title: Re: Be aware of hikers on the MTB trail
Post by: bghorn on September 13, 2010, 12:21:18 PM
As John 7722 said - the trail and weather were awesome.  Also, as he said there were quite a few people on foot on the MTB / hike trail.  Be particularly aware of people on foot near the beginning and end of the loop.  I ran into (not literally) a family with 4 or 5 kids near the end of the lap and it was a reminder of how distracted little kids can be and how long it can take them to get off the trail.  Now that temperatures are more comfortable I would expect more families out so try to be on the lookout and save your hot laps for night time. 

Also, I encountered some hikers just past mile 5 so don't assume there won't be anybody that far from the trailhead on foot. 

Ride on!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wade Parish on September 15, 2010, 01:32:02 PM
Super dry and dusty, but trail looked good.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on September 15, 2010, 09:03:52 PM
Another 2 laps of Westwood goodness, Beautiful weather, trail and wildlife, Deer everywhere. 8 on Sunday, 11 today.
no other bikers/hikers untill I finnished up, 2 headed out.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: moose on September 18, 2010, 06:33:31 PM
Cross your fingers that it will rain a bit. The trail needs a bit of softening up. Other than that, WW is in great shape - go ride!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on September 27, 2010, 08:23:39 AM
ran ww saturday morning  just curious what the orange marks across trail at different spots is for ??? anybody know... also lots of deer all around trial
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 27, 2010, 09:18:49 PM
The marks have been there for at least a week now but I don't know what they are for either.  I asked some of the guys that work at the park and they don't know either, so I'll assume that the park didn't do it.  They don't really make sense either, I watched my odometer when riding and they are not at any certian distance, the trees that they are marked on are not in the way nor do they need cut so I can't figure it out.  If anyone else knows let us in on your secret! ???
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ruffrider on September 29, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
When I ride Westwood bike trail I find the mysterious orange marks always
1/2 mile from a mile marker.  My bike odometer is a cateye.  I don't know
what kind of odometer the other guys who posted were using. That claim was the marks were
not any known distances. I think I know the distances. No mystery to me.  
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: David Kuehnen on September 30, 2010, 08:53:11 AM
It's obviously the next step in Alien Crop Circle evolution:   Alien Trail Marking :)

Or maybe it's a message in Morse code.  Marks to the left side of the trail are dots and marks to the right side of the trail are dashes...... :-\
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rbryant23 on October 17, 2010, 09:57:21 AM
Rode Westwood on Saturday Oct 16th at 11am. Trails were in great shape, fall colors are vibrant, it was a beautiful day to ride. I'm wondering if the strange orange marks painted at various points on the trail have anything to do with the construction that is taking place?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on October 17, 2010, 12:28:13 PM
No, the markings have nothing to do with the construction.  The construction is to make a wetlands area for ducks and other wildlife and will only be in the area where they are working now.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on October 19, 2010, 08:30:34 PM
Rode today, finally it wasn't dusty!!!  No mud either, but plenty of leaves to make the trail slick.  There were also some places that the leaves were so thick on the trail and surounding areas that you couldn't tell where the trail was so if you don't know the trail well be careful.  Fun ride but several minutes off pace since the leaves are so slick.

Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on October 24, 2010, 08:03:45 PM
We rode 2 laps. The trail was perfect.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on November 05, 2010, 08:19:45 PM
Rode today, trail was awesome!  Bike wasn't!    Chain was jumping on the casette in every gear except 32/17 so I rode as a single speed today.  Had a friend from OOT meet me there so I had to ride!  Got a new casette when we were done and all is good again!  Thanks Greg for all your help!  By the way there is a sizable tree down between bridges 19 and 20.  Park knows.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on November 07, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
the central indiana wilderness club is going to be hiking nov 14 at 9 am didnt know if anybody knew or had ever hiked it. info is on their website. it says anybody is invited . just  a heads up.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paullin on November 08, 2010, 03:04:52 PM
I built a ramp on the fallen tree. . . Enjoy!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paul_Arlinghaus on November 08, 2010, 03:58:29 PM
(http://I built a ramp on the fallen tree. . . Enjoy!)

Did you get permission from the Park Manager to build the ramp?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crewan on November 11, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
Great night for a ride in the park!  Clear skies and plenty of stars.  I had the trails all to my self.  Well...some squirrels, a couple of rabbits and a few deer.  Trails are in great shape.  I hope everyone is getting out and making the most of this weather.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: aredgar on November 14, 2010, 04:06:34 PM
Rode Westwood yesterday (11/13/2010).  New to MTB this Fall; been sampling Indiana trails.  Really nice trail - many thanks to HMBA & especially those who built and maintain it. Rating as Beginner to Intemediate is right - summary says "challenging aerobic workout"; which it certainly was for me. The occasional obstacles, sharp ups and downs, and a bit of steady climbing coming out of the creek beds were challenging but (mostly) doable. This will be a good trail to build skills and fitness. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on November 23, 2010, 04:23:27 PM
Rode today, trail has many slick spots in all the wrong places!  Made for a more challenging ride since you couldn't carry any momentum to climb hills, it was all pedal power.  When I did try to carry momentum I found myself getting up off the ground, looks like I would have figured that out after going down once but I'm not that easy it took several times for me to finally give up and slow down.  Today took a while, 1:09.  Not very proud of that one.  Tomorrow the trail should be almost perfect!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on December 02, 2010, 09:15:16 PM
Don. Do you want me to turn the status Red, or is my current "hover over" comment okay?

Dno
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: holzhaus on December 18, 2010, 08:48:54 AM
Anyone ridden WW this week? Just wondering if there are tracks, or if I'd have to cut through fresh snow...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on December 18, 2010, 10:44:56 PM
I haven't had a chance to ride this week, but I did ride just before this last snow.  There were a couple of trees down and one large very branchy tree that had fallen just before you got back to the road.  I told the park and they have since gotten them all taken care of, so if there are any other trees down you might let someone know.  Most of the guys that work at the park are off until spring now but Jan obviously is still there.  Have fun on your ride.  I may go out on Monday, just depends on the weather and my schedule.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: holzhaus on December 18, 2010, 10:55:11 PM
There are now two tracks around the trail.
Jeff C and I cut fresh snow most of the lap. No trees in the way or anything like that.
Allow at least double normal lap time. What a workout...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on December 20, 2010, 06:22:24 PM
Other than the snow, the trail is in great shape.  As Holz said, no trees down.  Snow was deep Sunday.  I have ridden Town run and Rangeline and neither have the depth of snow like Westwood.  Whew!  What a workout!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on January 01, 2011, 01:35:38 PM
ran ww this morning not a person there and nobody had been on the trail..clear of any downed trees or limbs ... only saw one deer ... alot of water running across trail in usual spots big dig very wet and by pine trees but the ground firm in alot of the trail not mushy
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: smanion on February 18, 2011, 02:53:02 PM
Just called the Park Office at Westwood and they said the trail was too wet and muddy, should probably be RED.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on February 21, 2011, 08:06:51 AM
ran westwood saturday still some ice in spots. large tree down before powerlines on the eastside it goes across the bridal trail {to big for a horse to ride over} and the top of the tree is over the mountain bike trail just before the bridge that goes between the two trees. tree down at waist high between the 6 and 7 bridge a couple other tree down also but completely on the ground and small enough to ride over i think.  i moved several large limbs off but still is more to be moved
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on March 14, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
Ran Westwood saturday it was pretty dry not as much water as expected. The floating bridge was still there and intact I wondered if it would float away with all the water. there is a thorn bush over the trail at about 8 miles could probably be removed with some large pruning shears its near the tree that fell and did a reroute around it
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on March 18, 2011, 08:38:03 AM
I have a question. I have called the front gate on Wednesday and Thursday and each day the lady said that the bike and horse trails were closed. She mentioned that the "website" will be updated. I didn't know if she meant the Westwood website or this website. She did say that it would be OK to ride early with the ground somewhat frozen if the temps got that cold. I see that the earlier comments reflected that. I was just curious to know if she meant this website and not the WW one. I looked on WW's website and didn't see any notifications on it.
I would hate to drive over there with this site showing yellow and then find the that the trail is closed. I fully understand if the status of a trail isn't updated daily, I was just curious to know if she meant this website or not. Just asking.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on March 18, 2011, 05:17:23 PM
Thanks for the info. I did go to a website that said Westwood and the map showed the park. I just didn't see any notices.
Its just a great trail. Can't wait to ride it again.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paullin on March 19, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
That's incorrect information. The Park manager left a message (call WW Park Office) that the Park is closed specifically for "Camping, Horses" only . . . . . MTBing is ok provided dry conditions.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Connor Griffin on March 19, 2011, 11:23:54 AM
has anyone been to the trail, would it be ok to ride this afternoon?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on March 19, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
has anyone been to the trail, would it be ok to ride this afternoon?

I was just at the park and the mountain bike trail is closed.  Spring fever rides will have to wait a little longer I guess.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paullin on March 19, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
Brain I called 765.987.1232 press 1 for Park status.

P
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paullin on March 19, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
Is it possible that the Park has a trail closed sign displayed to discourage people from riding horses?
 :-*
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on March 19, 2011, 07:50:23 PM
OK, get your keyboards ready because I know you will probably want to yell at me for this but I rode today, went out about 5:00 tonight with my son.  Now comes the part you will be mad about, we rode about 3 miles in and then turned around and rode back out.  The trail had a couple soft spots but nothing really muddy.  Reason for turning around is that my son is only 8 and is just starting to ride mountain bikes with me and there is no way I'm going to make him ride 10 miles.  I just live down the road and can't justify driving 30 miles for a short ride.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on March 19, 2011, 08:19:08 PM
Good on ya for getting him involved in this great sport! 8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on March 20, 2011, 10:12:50 AM
Texted back and forth with Jan Crider(Park Mgr) yesterday and he said the trail is good to go.   Not perfect, but fine for riding. 

Come on out and ride Westwood. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on March 20, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
YEEHAWW!! I hope the rain misses WW for the next 24 hours. Might get to sneak out there tomorrow after work.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on March 20, 2011, 06:29:38 PM
Texted back and forth with Jan Crider(Park Mgr) yesterday and he said the trail is good to go.   Not perfect, but fine for riding. 

Come on out and ride Westwood. 

Thanks Huf!  Wasn't sure about going all the way out there just to get turned away, but your info definitely tipped the scales in favor of going.

Glad I did.  Just the usual suspects were sloppy; Big Dig, a few places near bridges 15 and 16 and then the section after the floating bridge.  Overall pretty darn good.

It rolled reeeaally slow, but most trails do this time of year.  At least I am planning on blaming the trail.  It couldn't have been substandard winter training on my part.   ;)

More sticks than, well..., than you could shake a stick at.  One large tree still down.
 
 8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on March 26, 2011, 03:20:48 PM
ran ww today nobody else there basically dry in the big dig and by the pine trees ..dirt little tacky bit not slick at all.... no new trees down considering last wednesday wind and storm
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on March 27, 2011, 09:55:12 AM
I rode WW yesterday at 5:30 pm. I saw WWrunner say the trail was good. I drive to the gate, it said Trails Closed. I called the WW number and pressed 1, the message said the horse trails were closed, but if its not raining the bike trail is open. With no one at the gate I went ahead and rode. The trail was fine but the two open areas did have soft areas. There is one tree across the trail near mile 5. I drove out and there was a gentleman at the gate now. I stopped to pay but he said the trails were closed and they are not charging until April. I applogized if I violated any rules. He said no and it was OK. I hope I didn't cause a issue.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paullin on March 30, 2011, 03:46:56 PM
WW Park will not start charging usage fees until April 15. Consider buying a season pass. $25/vehicle and $25 per bike, otherwise it's $2/bike with the vehicle pass.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on April 04, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
Westwood should be marked RED right now, and probably for a few days.  We have had a LOT of rain here today and its still raining.  I'm seeing flooding in places its never flooded before.  When it does dry out enough to ride again watch out for down trees and sticks.  Over the past couple of days we have had very high wind, hail, and flooding.

Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on April 04, 2011, 01:36:14 PM
Thanks. I hesitate to turn a trail red without local feedback. Let us know when things look good again.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: aredgar on April 04, 2011, 10:33:25 PM
I was really happy and fortunate to get in a circuit Sunday (4/3)  ;D.  Seriously windy in parking lot but quiet on the trail.  Pretty dry most places but still squishy and actually muddy in a few spots and the turf either side of the trail was very soft (Ok, so I wandered a couple of times). Everywhere, sticks were hanging out of the trees at helmet height and the tree is still down across the trail on the north end.  One bridge (20ish?) was standing in water/mud on one end so walking through was best.  Some of the trail ruts are getting pretty deep for sometimes 40 yards. Early season rough but thoroughly fun never-the-less.  I'll be happy to help clean up if I can figure out when a work day is scheduled.  The rains last night and today are going to seriously set it back though - which is why I feel fortunate to have gotten out Sunday.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on April 08, 2011, 08:46:42 PM
Rode WW today.  Got off the trail about 3:30.  Trail was soft with standing water in many places and bridge 6 was washed out on the exit end.  A definate OTB crash will occur if you don't wheelie hop off the end.  There are a couple other trees down on the trail but the one that was down before has been removed.  This spring has not been kind to the trail.  On the hills the water has eroded a lot of the trail and exposed a lot more tree roots and the ones that were exposed before make for rough riding.  The trail just after the last horse trail crossing has eroded deep enough that you have to ride the sides of it in places.  There are still leveral limbs down all over the trail making for the occasional rest to pull limbs out of spokes or the RD. 

Today the trail was a difficult workout due to the soft trail and increased rolling resistance.  It was also very slick so there was no momentum to be had since at the bottom of all the hills there was a very slick curve or turn with a friendly tree there to stop you from wandering to far off the trail.  If we get any more rain I would suggest moving the trail to red, but for right now I would say it is just borderline.  Definatly at least a week of dry weather before it's green.

One more thing, there has been at least one horse on the MTB trail recently.  I didn't see anyone in the park with horses today, but its been in the last couple days because the tracks were fresh.  Lots of deer have been using the trail also, since its muddy and soft you can see all the tracks.

Have fun riding, be safe.

Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on April 14, 2011, 08:29:22 PM
Rode Westwood today for the first time this year. trails are 98% mud free, tree down at bridge 21 {will need a chain saw}. Mother nature was not kind to Westwood severe erosion has occured. the last bridge as you come back to the parking lot needs serious repair to the exit.
still was a blast to ride Westwood and it is currently free to enter and ride.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on April 24, 2011, 03:16:02 PM
ran yesterday the most water  ive seen this year... small tree down near bench by the water on the west side... two larger trees together down 1/3 to 1/2 mile north of bridge 14 .... larger tree yet down right before trail crosses horse path  by the power line on east side so it would be south...for the bird watchers i think it was an egret on the east side near the pine trees he took off pretty fast but was huge... water on at horse camp also you get to it near bridge #7 we need a little trail there!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on May 11, 2011, 08:06:24 AM
Has anyone been to WW or know what the trails are like?. I know there are a few spots that really hold the water. Just asking.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on May 11, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
I haven't had time to go ride lately but I live close and with what I see at my house it could probably be changed to green.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 11, 2011, 04:51:49 PM
Steve Harpster rode WW last night and said it was pretty good.    The tread is in good shape.   He said that it's getting to be alittle weedy in places and there's 1 place that needs some TLC to restore the benchcut tread and possibly armor w/rock.   This area we called "Steve's Doubt" which we named after the previous named rider and his doubting of whether we could put a trail in this ravine location or not.   He doesn't doubt anymore ;D
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: richmondrider on May 18, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
So, what are the chances that the trail will be rideable tomorrow afternoon?  Has anyone been out there in the past few days?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on May 18, 2011, 11:31:57 AM
Judging by what I have at home it will be sloppy at best but that is only if it doesn't rain anymore.  If it rains today like it is supposed to I don't think I'd try it.  I have not been on the trail for about a week, I am just judging by conditions at my house, I live a just a few miles from there.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: richmondrider on May 18, 2011, 12:11:22 PM
Thanks for the trail update. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on May 19, 2011, 07:59:37 AM
It didn't rain here yesterday so WW is probably a solid yellow right now.  Most of the trail should be good with just a few wet spots.  Look out for holes and washes though, the spring rains have not been kind to the trail.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on May 19, 2011, 08:23:34 AM
Thanks for the update. WW is my favorite trail. But when my lung is hanging out my mouth at mile 7 ..not so much.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on May 28, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
ran westwood today the only tree down just south of brigde 20 the one that had the tile washed out its not all across and some big cutters or  small saw could do the job i  think. really muddy north of bridge 15 my  feet were sinking almost over my shoe in spots. also somebody has spent alot of time on the east side cutting stuff down  thanks !!! been drinkin some buds have a great holiday !!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gman10 on May 31, 2011, 08:49:26 PM
Trails were in pretty good shape today.  Only a few soft spots and the one downed tree mentioned before.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on June 04, 2011, 12:25:46 PM
Westwood was in really good shape yesterday.   

Some repair work has been done on Steve's doubt (this is the area on the east side of the lake under the power lines just after you cross the horse trail).  All downed trees were cleared.  There are some spots that really need de bermed.  The park manager and I discussed this a few weeks ago and he sees the importance of it and that it was the root cause of the blowout at Steve's doubt.  So, I will try to post again when the plan is firmed up for the places that need de bermed and/or fixed.

Other than those spots Westwood was awesome.  I did get a flat (not running tubeless on the bike I rode) but still a great ride.

Get out and enjoy it.  Hopefully we will be having a work session soon to trim.

Ride On.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: booxe on June 11, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
Just got off the phone with the ranger....too muddy to ride today
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: crazylarry on June 16, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Rode this evening, The trail is in good shape. the were some muddy spots you could go around in the trail just past bridge 16. The roots are showing through more since last year but it just adds to the challange. j.m.o.

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rmknotts on June 25, 2011, 02:10:16 PM
Put in 2 laps today, trails were great. There is one slick spot around mile 4-5 but other than that I'd call it green.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Attila on June 25, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
Did one lap today. trail is dry, with a lot of traction, one muddy spot only. It looks it has not been mowed for a year at least. At some places even the trail is not visible. At one point the 6 ft tall grass suddenly turned into a rose garden, which scratched my left arm 50 places. The place is 6.77 km from the trailhead. Overall the whole trail needs some serious mowing.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rmknotts on June 25, 2011, 11:59:49 PM
I dont have a mower, but if I can get ahold of one I'll head down and trim it up on Monday.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: tdcatron on June 26, 2011, 08:34:22 AM
The biggest concern here is trail erosion. I grew up just around the corner of Westwood lake and it seems that in the recent years the trail erosion has dramatiacly expedited and is a cause for some real concern. I am not an expert in this area, but it may be reason for the BRCD to take note. Yesterday's conditions are about as good as it gets at Westwood really enjoyed riding yesterday.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: aredgar on June 26, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
Westwood trail is closed according go the park staff at the gate due to rain overnight.  The indicator should be red. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gt ss on June 26, 2011, 08:02:28 PM
The place is 6.77 km from the trailhead. 

KM's?? really?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave G. on June 26, 2011, 09:15:40 PM
Westwood trail is closed according go the park staff at the gate due to rain overnight.  The indicator should be red. 

Thanks for the update!  Status changed to RED.

Dave
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rmknotts on June 26, 2011, 11:52:00 PM
The place is 6.77 km from the trailhead. 

KM's?? really?

Googled it......4.2 miles, however it doesn't matter now because the whole trail is WET!!! Damn this rain
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Attila on June 27, 2011, 04:49:26 PM
yeah, there are metric guys here too. sorry. 1.6 is the conversion. you should divide 6.77 by 1.6 which is 4.23 miles. it's still easier than Celsius-Fahrenheit conversion. Cause if you’ve got 100F you should deduct 32, and divide by 1.8 which is in turn dividing by 2 and adding 10%, but I won’t go into more detail on this.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: David Kuehnen on June 27, 2011, 05:20:37 PM
Even more fun is the Kilograms to Pounds conversion, since Kilograms are units of mass and Pounds are units of force. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gt ss on June 27, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
yeah, there are metric guys here too. sorry. 1.6 is the conversion. you should divide 6.77 by 1.6 which is 4.23 miles. it's still easier than Celsius-Fahrenheit conversion. Cause if you’ve got 100F you should deduct 32, and divide by 1.8 which is in turn dividing by 2 and adding 10%, but I won’t go into more detail on this.
too much sipherin' for me. I don't ride with a "computer" anymore anywho.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rmknotts on June 28, 2011, 09:53:48 PM
2.2 kg = 1 pound
2.54 cm= 1 inch

Now calculate your BMI: body weight in kg/ m2 , but whats a meter!? Damn this metric stuff!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: richmondrider on June 29, 2011, 04:25:46 PM
Any forecast for Friday trail conditions?  I would assume if TRTP is open Westwood has to be in decent shape.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: tdcatron on June 30, 2011, 05:07:59 PM
Trail is in good shape should be green. Just got back.

TC
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on June 30, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
fingers are crossed that the rain is gentle and kind to the trail tonight...would really love to ride after work tomorrow.  anyone that rides in the morning/early afternoon, please update!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: richmondrider on July 01, 2011, 09:56:30 AM
No rain over here in East Central Indiana last night, I am heading to the trail early afternoon today and will report back.  Based on my running trails here at home everything should be dry other than naturally wet areas.  

As of 2:30 trails are in great shape, only about three small muddy spots around mile 6 or 7, other than that bone dry.  Should be green status.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on July 01, 2011, 06:23:42 PM
had a great ride tonight...i agree status should be green!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Bhikardas on July 05, 2011, 02:54:13 PM
How's the poison ivy and/or overgrowth? Last week some buddies came home from 2 laps at WW with plenty of itchy spots on the arms, and scratches from thorns... I love WW, but I'm super-allergic to poison ivy  :(
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: richmondrider on July 05, 2011, 02:56:41 PM
Yes, I have a nice patch of poison ivy on my arm after Friday's ride.  The over growth is bad in spots, thankfully no sign of ticks after the ride.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions - come help clear the overgrowth on July 16th.
Post by: bghorn on July 05, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I wanted to also post this here since some have noticed that Westwood has some overgrowth.  A workday has been scheduled for Saturday July 16th.  We will meet at 8:30am to gather up tools, organize into crews and move out to different sections from there.  Exact meeting location at the park is yet to be determined.  The park will provide some string trimmers and pruners for tree branches but If you have pruners or a string trimmer bring them along.  For those who work we will have a cookout after with meat provided by the park.  Also, riding after we work will be free for those who work.  If you are particularly susceptible to poison ivy, we can have you prune instead of weedeat to keep you clear of poison ivy.   We need a big turnout so spread the word and mark your calendar now!

Keep an eye on the Westwood section of the message board for more details in the next few days.  Ride on!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: aredgar on July 08, 2011, 05:10:09 PM
Surprised to see WW at green today.  Walked the last mile or so last evening in a hard pop-up rainstorm.  No sign of clouds in the sky or on radar when I started out but the first few drops turned the clay and roots to grease and it went downhill from there.  When the bike went south on a drop and I rolled in the mud the rest of the way to the bottom I decided it was time to trudge out in a loud downpour that lasted clear to the parking lot.  As I drove away, however, the rain was letting up so maybe it didn't last much longer in that area.  Enjoyed the adventure - still learning new stuff every time I go out. 

The first and last couple of miles have been weed-whipped but there are several places where the weeds are waist high and you have to sort of use your intuition to follow the trail.  I'm planning on coming out 7/16 though to do my part and if several others do too we should be able to knock back the worst parts.  Its certainly not all 10 miles worth that needs trimmed.  The ruts, however, in the grassy areas at the northwest corner do need some work so maybe, with some guidance, we could tackle those as well. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on July 11, 2011, 06:39:28 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: InTheWoods on July 17, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
My 1st Trip to Westwood was today . . . the trail is really nice. good flow. just a bit bouncy from roots but it is Mountain Biking.
I know now that you cross a bridge get ready to climb.  :)
I just read that some did a lot of weed eating yesterday . . . to all of you . . . Thank You !
I guess this lady couldn't read . . going the wrong way with a dog that was not on a leash . . . gave me a good crash !
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave G. on August 08, 2011, 06:02:47 PM
Turned two laps this afternoon, trail was dry with two teeny-tiny greasy spots in the last four miles.  Nice weedeating job!  On the way home, storm was tracking east from Indy along I-70 so WW probably has already been dumped on.  But it is a welcome dumping!

Dave
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 11, 2011, 09:33:14 PM
I don't think the people who ride here are on the computer much or they understand that this is a hard trail and is supposed to be hard.  Westwood is for the people who know what they are doing and the people ah ride it for the very first time and struggle are embarrassed to post that they struggled.  Maybe not but it sounded good anyway.  There hasn't been much action here other than regular upkeep.  Has anyone thought about making another trail or shorter loop here that would be family friendly for the people who camp here or live around closer with kids?  I myself have never been to one of the organized maintenance events here but I have put in several hours by myself clearing the trail after storms to get the limbs and sticks off so that nobody else has to spend the money for a new rear deraillure, spokes and wheel truing.  Not to mention the crash hurt!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gt ss on September 12, 2011, 05:53:21 PM
Wouldn't you have to build a bridge to make the loop shorter  ;)

BTW FF56, is it your buddy that bought the NRS3? If so, how's it going for him? I liked the bike before I built my super quiet SS.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 12, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Yes it was my brother in law who bought it.  He likes it so far, but he hasn't been able to ride it much.  He's done a couple laps at Westwood, Rangeline and Town Run.  His last time out was here at WW and the chain broke and he hasn't been able to get a new one yet so its OOS for now.

Yes you would have to build a bridge, or just go out about 3 miles and loop back to the start from there to use the current trail, but you could also use the woods over by the campground to build a smaller family friendly trail that was only about 3-4 mles.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on September 15, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
lookin to get a good ride in on saturday morning.  I know it rained pretty much all evening yesterday in muncie, but how are the trails down there?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on September 15, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
I applaud HMBA for everything the organization does. However, from what I've seen there's more emphasis on building new trails than maintaining existing ones.

That is true. It is standard practice for the HMBA to organize and facilitate the construction of new trail. It is then standard practice for local trail junkies to take over day to day maintenance, with the help of HMBA to assist with tools and communication when needed. This is the way Town Run, Southwestway, Brown County and the rest of our trails are currently maintained.

This forum is a great place to organize trail work days, and I'd be glad to help anyone in the Westwood area post trail work days on the HMBA Facebook page as well. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help communicate and facilitate local volunteerism.

Dno
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 15, 2011, 07:59:00 PM
My thoughts on a newer trail would be that it would be family friendly.  This means that it could be a wider easier trail to ride and maintain.  The family trail could be wide enough to take a mower down to maintian.  Just a thought but this could keep families from being overwhelmed by the trail that is there now.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: holzhaus on October 01, 2011, 08:00:57 PM
we got turned away at the gate today, "trail closed, too wet". Better call before making the drive, I thought for sure it would be fine today. ???
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on October 01, 2011, 09:39:31 PM
we got turned away at the gate today, "trail closed, too wet". Better call before making the drive, I thought for sure it would be fine today. ???

Thanks Brian. Status changed to red until we get word.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wahoo37 on October 04, 2011, 08:05:45 PM
First time on this trail today. Dry and in good shape! There are a lot of tree roots sticking up that threw me in every direction, but other than that, I liked it, other than my flat tire I had!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on October 15, 2011, 12:06:50 AM
had some rain up here in muncie pretty much all day on the 13th...but it was the first big rain in a long time.  are trail conditions decent enough to go for a birthday ride tomorrow, the 15th?   ;D
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on October 15, 2011, 08:15:37 AM
I haven't been to the park but judging by what I got at my house you should be fine.  The trail will probably be slick with leaves and moisture but OK to ride.  I would call the park before you drive down though just to make sure.  I think the number is (765)987-1232.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on October 17, 2011, 07:55:55 AM
Ran Westwood yesterday no new trees or limbs down just lots of leaves
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Bhikardas on October 30, 2011, 06:09:23 PM
Status should be changed to GREEN! Just tons of leaves hiding roots. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on October 30, 2011, 07:24:20 PM
Status should be changed to GREEN! Just tons of leaves hiding roots. Enjoy!

Done.. Thanks!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wade Parish on October 31, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
trail was pretty slick in a lot of spots today around 2pm, but not rut-causing wet.
good workout, but not particularly fun.
yellow dot, IMHO.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: stiffy151 on November 19, 2011, 02:31:02 PM
Trail wasn't bad today; some slick spots, lots of leaves, and quite a few runners.
Trail needs some tire traffic.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on January 03, 2012, 08:33:19 AM
ran ww yesterday a tree down at about 6.5 before bridge 19 if i remember that number right and one down right before the 7 mile marker both kinda meduim size could probably cut with a hand saw... also i like the bike hung on  the stump at about 3.5 it had a range line sticker on it !!!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on January 04, 2012, 09:14:27 PM
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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on January 05, 2012, 08:53:21 AM
haha its the new westwood lost and found stump rider is still missing!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ringo on January 15, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
Perfect frozen conditions this morning. Good grip.   NO RUTs in contrast to the first 400 yards of Ft. Ben. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on March 04, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
ran ww today a tree down which would need a chain saw at about 3.5 miles or before bridge 9 i think not jumpable and a bigger tree down which has been there awhile before bridge 19 south of the pine trees before the switch backs start good and a smaller tree down real close to the north of the road that goes to the camp ground...drug alot of branches off today also... i ran last saturday  and the rangeline bike had been moved from the stump to the north about 1/3  mile its back today on the stump  with a chain keeping it there!!!  i wonder if somebody lives in that stump !!!!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on March 07, 2012, 07:00:43 PM
other than the trees.......how dry are the trails?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: m361 on March 09, 2012, 07:40:29 AM
Can anyone advise the current trail conditions? Looking for a place to ride Saturday. Had some rain yesterday, but HMBA still shows yellow. Hoping maybe the rain didn't hit Westwood as heavy as everywherre else...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on March 09, 2012, 08:45:18 AM
Most all our trails should be good to go by Saturday. For Westwood, it's always good to call the park. We don't get many reports, and have to make judgement calls on the status. I would think Yellow will be true for Saturday though.

Have a good ride!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: m361 on March 09, 2012, 03:56:12 PM
Thank you for the update. I will call tomorrow before driving over. Looks like we may be in for yet another freeze/thaw condition overnight, so its possible that none of the trails will be dry tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on March 11, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Westwood is GREEN!  A little sloppy at the base of the dam and in the big dig and a couple other 10-15 foot stretches but 95% of it is really good.   Trees down near bridge 9 (between miles and 3 and 4) and near bridge 19 (large). 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on March 16, 2012, 08:54:19 PM
Yep, rode yesterday and the trees mentioned are still there.  The park guys that usually take care of that kind of stuff have not started back to work yet so unless some of us can take care of those trees they will be there for a little while longer.  Tree by bridge 9 can be ridden over if you have a bash guard but the ones by 19 can not.  In fact the one closest to 19 cant even be walked over you will have to walk through the woods a little to go around it.  The top part of the tree is in the trail with multiple large limbs making it impossible to pass through the trail with a bike.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on March 24, 2012, 04:30:34 PM
ran ww today the fallen trees are gone.. alot of water running over rocks and roll area and about 3/4 mile south of there, big dig as usual but the trail is really firm .. if no rain tonight i would say ok to ride tomorrow.. saw couple of other runners one all the way from indy drove over!! gate house still empty so free
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: HARVEY on March 28, 2012, 03:20:01 PM
Trail was in great condition today. The only mud was at the mudholes right before MM 6. I talk more about that below.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Chappy on March 31, 2012, 02:16:53 PM
Just rode WW. It has a few slick spots and muddy only in the few open areas.  We had a great ride. Perfect weather! Cool, overcast 50 degrees
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Randy Witte on April 02, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
While about everyone else was getting hammered by storms and rain yesterday, it looked like New Castle was mostly spared.  Rode 2 laps in the afternoon, and the trails were great!  This was our 2nd Sunday in a row, and trail conditions were even a little better yesterday.  The low-lying open areas that were about the worst spots were considerably more dry.  Good times!  I was amazed to not see more bikes out.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on April 20, 2012, 05:37:20 AM
the trail with self was perfect. however! the honeysuckle is starting to completely choke off the last 3 miles of trail. visibility is near ZERO for a good portion of that last  Few miles. if I can get permission? I will get to clearing it.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on April 21, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
I can't officially say go for it but I have been clearing the trail of broads, limbs, weeds, down trees, etc. whenever I'm out there and no oneway has ever said not to.  I know the guys that work out there and they told me that as long as I/we are not making changes to the trail then any maintenance that is done is really appreciated.  I take that as keeping the trail cleared of weeds and debris is good to go.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gt ss on April 21, 2012, 08:41:17 PM
I can't officially say go for it but I have been clearing the trail of broads, limbs, weeds, down trees, etc. whenever I'm out there and no oneway has ever said not to.  I know the guys that work out there and they told me that as long as I/we are not making changes to the trail then any maintenance that is done is really appreciated.  I take that as keeping the trail cleared of weeds and debris is good to go.

leave some out there for the rest of us ;)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on April 22, 2012, 12:50:45 PM
Nope, I'm selfish like that! ;D

Not sure how that got there, I noticed a few other typo's in my last post too.  Must be the crazy auto correct on my phone!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Bhikardas on April 25, 2012, 10:20:04 AM
the trail with self was perfect. however! the honeysuckle is starting to completely choke off the last 3 miles of trail. visibility is near ZERO for a good portion of that last  Few miles. if I can get permission? I will get to clearing it.
My understanding: contact WW in advance, and they will supply you with the necessary tools for trail maintenance. They also used to (and still do?) have a sign-in sheet at the gate. Ever since racing and other for-profit events were stopped, trail maintenance has been a big issue there.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Fett on April 25, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
I rode out there Sunday for the first time since the last DINO race and enjoyed it. It looks like the last few miles have had extensive rerouting since the last race. It is nicely done.
 
Visibility is a little tight, but it was kind of fun, like riding in a tunnel.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: lutherprater on May 03, 2012, 11:40:08 PM
Rode WW today 5-3. The dirt is near-perfect. However, in a several places it is getting completely overgrown.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: jasonhilt on May 06, 2012, 06:14:20 PM
Westwood needs a LOT of attention right now.  There are places where the weeds and grass completely block the view of the trail.  Overhanging branches constantly make you duck, not allowing you to see the wood branch that just stabbed you in the head through your helmet! :(  Really takes the fun out of the downhill sections.

I would also mention that the fall line sections are getting pretty eroded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ioQcoLfEs8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ioQcoLfEs8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on May 07, 2012, 09:10:30 PM
Westwood should be red right now, probably until Wednesday afternoon at least.  We have had enough rain to drown a duck in the last few hours.  Standing water everywhere.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on May 08, 2012, 07:27:01 AM
I'll second what Firefighter said.  Red at least through Wednesday afternoon, maybe even into Thursday.  Rain yesterday morning, big big rain in the evening and then a little more overnight. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on May 15, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
I havent' been on the trail but judging by what I have at home it's probably safe to mark Westwood as green.
 
By the way, the park staff has been trimming back the trail for the past few days starting at the end and working backwards.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on May 16, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
By the way, the park staff has been trimming back the trail for the past few days starting at the end and working backwards.

That is great news to me.  WW is one of my favorite trails.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Nitainium on May 18, 2012, 07:47:29 AM
Westwood was in great shape yesterday with exception of all the overgrowth.  Some trimming was underway down by the dam but they have quite a ways to go yet for any real progress. Wear leg and arm protection or be prepared to itch. Plenty of Ivy.
 If you go today or Saturday I would avoid driving on 38 due to an organized garage sale event. Traffic will be heavy.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 08, 2012, 12:21:14 PM
Ran this morning an 2 guys weed wacking just past 8 mile mark heading south.....also the RNP bike has mysteriously reappeared at bridge 14 !!!  I think its haunted trying to find its way back to rangeline or like the car in the movie Christine
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: JT on June 14, 2012, 09:55:42 AM
Thanks to everyone who weed eated Westwood.  My son and I road it last weekend and it was awesome compared to the last time I biked there.  In fact I picked up a tick there last time so everyone check themselves when leaving. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 25, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
Checked out my old friend Westwood this past Saturday and conditions were very good.  A little moisture on the trail and things wouldve been nearly perfect.  Big shout out of thanks to the weedwackers who flat out got it done.  And TimO, the bridges are looking great, especially the banked one near the end.  I did have a couple flashbacks of waders and cold water going across those water bridges though.  And Mr. Rogers we miss your wacky stories...they were fun.  And dude who ran 3 laps around WW in 6 hours...you're an animal and you need to acquire a mountain bike!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: hoosierben on June 26, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
First time visitor. Taking advantage of the cool weather..

First lap on bike. Very nice trail. Only one bottom sit going up a quick turn up hill. I don't like rocks and adding roots to my list..
Second lap running; trail seemed shorter. Only one trip and fall.. safe at home base. Almost crashed into a biker near the halfway point; lots of zero vision zones.

I too, second the thanks for the shoulder trimming.
And yes - be sure to really check yourself for ticks. Found one hours after getting home.

If you lost a handle bar part, it's at the Main Gate.
 
thanks
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 30, 2012, 04:06:39 PM
ran ww this morning tree down first bridge than right after that... misc trees down from after dam to last bridge before big dig  {kinda lost track}...tree down after bridge 9 , after 4 mile marker and one hanging over trail around 4 1/2 along grass area along lake .... west side all good from floating bridge to road... moved ALOT of big  limbs off in first 2 miles seemed like the south end of the park got it worst... over and out!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: bghorn on July 14, 2012, 06:24:26 PM
Westwood is in great shape.  Got about 20 minutes of medium to hard rain while I was riding on Thursday so today it was absolutely perfect!  Missed the rain so far today but it is looking darker here right now (6:30 pm) so check the weather if you are coming over yet today or tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on August 07, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
Lots of small twigs and branches to mess up a derailleur and spokes and a tree top blocking the trail just before bridge 22. It can be cut out with a folding saw, NO chainsaw needed. I told the front gate and she noted it and said, they cant get to it for about a week
If any one reads this and has a folding saw? please help out.  Don't wait for the park to do it, and I am spread very thin this week.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on August 22, 2012, 08:00:24 PM
SUPERB!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on August 23, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
None of the trail was blocked tonight, but I saw where some trees had been trimmed.  Trail condition is great.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave G. on September 13, 2012, 11:10:18 PM
AL and I rode three laps today, trail was in good condition, but appeared to be lightly traveled.  There was a fair amount of trail debris (sticks and leaves) and has some brush encroaching the trail in a few places.  A couple of fallen trees are present but were hoppable, and a couple of fallen trees that has pointy branches sticking out, waiting to impale unsuspecting riders.  Other than those issues, it was fun to ride WW again after a year's time.

Dave
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on October 29, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
Deep leaf cover in sections & bare in others, some soft spots on the climbs and under the leaves. there is a head banger after the floating bridge and past the Pines. it's not a problem for us short guy's but you tall riders will need to duck
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on November 02, 2012, 09:38:52 PM
Perfect time of year to spin a few laps at Westwood. Conditions were darn near perfect with great views of the lake and the woods.   Great time to tackle removing some of those thick honeysuckle sections too.  That would make our summers WAY easier!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on November 12, 2012, 01:16:14 PM
Spun a couple laps yesterday and also got started on cutting some honeysuckle in some key blind corners.  We'll be back at it all winter tackling this pesky problem.  Yesterday, I just cut with a handsaw and dragged the bulk of the honeysuckle well off the trail. We'll need to go back and dig the root balls out too.


What we've seen at other parks, is that if you can clear large sections of honeysuckle, not only do other plants thrive, but it definitely makes the area look better and also WAY easier to weedwack if need be.  Several sections need attention, but miles 8-10 are especially difficult.


If you love to use the trails at Westwood and would like to improve the overgrowth conditions that occur every year in the spring and summer, post up here or send me a pm and we'll get you on board and connected. Thanks.



Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: HARVEY on November 12, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Mike,


Westwood should be red. It rained a lot in Henry County.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: M Hill on November 22, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
Any body know what conditions would be like for a ride tomarow?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: westsoornr on November 24, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
Any update on Westwood ???  I am back in town for the holidays and want to do a trail run today ...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on November 24, 2012, 10:04:40 AM
I'm headed out there today.  Rangeline is nearby and has similar soil.  So, I am guessing Westwood is mostly dry too.  The leaves help keep tires/feet from sinking in.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on November 24, 2012, 05:49:44 PM
Westwood was dry and fun today.  No soft spots. I'd say it's Green.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gearboy on November 30, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
Has anyone been out on the trails in the past couple of days?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wall on December 14, 2012, 08:23:58 AM
Was thinking of a ride this afternoon.  Any one been out lately?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on December 17, 2012, 08:54:39 AM
We were doing some work yesterday at Westwood and a few riders came through and said that it was probably too wet to be riding.  If it rains today, I would definitely make Westwood "red".  If the rain stays away, we might have to reevaluate.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on January 13, 2013, 12:29:42 PM
Ran ww this morning.. cleared several large limbs.... big tree an med tree down between horse trail an brdge4....
Big tree down before brdge 21 along lake...smaller tree at about 9.5....rolled a large log busted in two off trail near brdge 6 might want to roll small part back on trail for jump...bridges all slick maybe some need chicken wire?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on January 21, 2013, 04:56:53 PM
Mr Blum and I cranked out some more honeysuckle yesterday.  I did a trail run afterwards and conditions were good. Great views of the lake and wildlife too. I saw a fox and several big deer enjoying the Westwood love!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on March 23, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
Harp and I spun a casual lap today after a full day of trail work and all but the Big Dig was darn good.  The big dig needs some serious rock.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on March 31, 2013, 01:33:36 PM
We did another big trailwork day this past Friday, working on the eastside again.  I bet all but the big dig will be good this afternoon.   I'd call it yellow.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on April 03, 2013, 07:04:15 PM
Fantastic ride tonite ! The new rerouts will put a smile on your face.
The Big Dig area is still real messy.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on April 14, 2013, 11:36:10 PM
Awesome conditions this evening.  The Big Dig is sloppy as usual, and there was one spot with a good sized puddle on the trail, but great ride overall.  Get a ride in tomorrow before the rain comes later this week.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on April 22, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
Big tree down 1/4 mile before the powerlines on the westside.  Have to walk around this one.   It's been there for a couple weeks now.  Not sure what the trail conditions are like for the system, but I bet it's pretty good except for the usually suspects.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on April 28, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
Rode Westwood yesterday. Had about 10 minutes of light rain around half way but not a big deal. Had the place to myself. Love the re-routes. Great work.  :D
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: creekside on May 03, 2013, 05:55:58 PM
Rode yesterday. Always forget how good of a cardio workout WW provides. Overall trail in great shape but where it's bad it's really bad. Particularly after bridge 5 and in the open field after first big reroute. Kinda by the Rock n Roll area. Just after bridge 15 needs to be addressed as well. Reroutes are great, thanks Huf and crew.


And a shout out to Dennis, who I met before my ride...he just had bilateral knee replacements and was hitting the trail for the first time since operation. Very inspirational!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 05, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
Rode Westwood today and its definitely NOT red.  Infact conditions were near perfect.  WW got a little rain, but not much.   There's a few soft spots that are easily fixable.  Our work this Winter and Spring looks great.  In those areas, the trail has better sight lines and flows WAY better.   We need to rid a few more sections of honeysuckle though.  Stay tuned.  Go ride Westwood.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: lovetrail on May 07, 2013, 07:42:32 AM
We would ride WW if wasn't marked red for no reason. Looked for someplace to ride Sunday but foolishly relied on the stop lights. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 07, 2013, 08:44:31 AM
It's green now.. I was actually out there on Sunday about noonish and it was raining fairly hard when I was there. I turned it Red from an eye witness account. Guess I got it wrong, so blame me. I was erring on the cautious side.

As soon as Huff posted, I changed it to yellow, now it's green. We do the best we can with the volunteer staff we have, and it's really hard to get it right all the time, and we certainly don't change status to Red because we want to be jerks. We like to ride too. I hope folks can understand and appreciate this.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: lovetrail on May 07, 2013, 10:11:23 AM
It's all good and know it's tough, and it is appreciated. Since you were there, I don't know what to say. Stuff happens.


When you here (just 2 weeks ago) that top mngt wanted to close trails last year because they were too dry, at what point do you say this is just getting silly?


If trail maintenance equaled the effort put forth towards new trail construction/building, would that help to relieve the 'life or death' mentalilty that seems to be generated by a few puddles?












Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on May 07, 2013, 10:20:15 AM
Actually, that is a good point. A well built and maintained trail drains much easier, and will be "yellow" much more often than "red". I freely admit I may have made a mistake on Westwood this time. I forgot Huff had been doing more trail work. BCSP takes a lot of rain to be "red", while the new trail at Ft Harry takes less (they're working on that).

Also, the more reports we get from a local trail observer when the weather is bad, the better we can predict what each trail will be like. In other words, locals can help by checking out the trail and posting conditions more often.

I hope this helps. We really do want people to be able to ride 8)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on May 14, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
Trail was great today. Love that narrow single track that makes Westwood what it is.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on May 18, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
ran ww this morning wet but not to bad should be in good shape late today or tomorrow if no rain today . also picked up 5 ticks on the trail while running it so they are active. a lot of the older bridges are really slick with not a lot of moisture on them not much can be done I assume but I wouldn't want to hit them on a bike at much of a  angle would be recipe to crash .. next time at ww will be on my mongoose also reroutes are great.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 20, 2013, 10:13:58 AM
Several of us rode laps at Westwood yesterday.  Trail tread is perfectly dry.   Where we took out lots of honeysuckle in the winter and the reroutes,  the sight lines are very good, and where we didn't......not so good.   Thanks go out to Paul Lin for helping me clear out a few pesky corners.   We do need a big workday or two or three to get the underbrush under control. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Paullin on May 25, 2013, 08:25:16 AM
Rode WW first time this year, impressed with the reroutes definitely improves trail flow and erosion. Was hijacked by someone  resulting in landscaping the trail rather than riding. Oh well . . .  .
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: RT on May 30, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
Rode yesterday and the new reroutes are terrific!  Trail is badly overgrown in ALOT of places though.  The big culprit is the 4ft high grass on the sides of the trail which make it disappear.  Eastside in the open areas past the big dig were especially bad as is the area from rock n roll-to the floating bridge.  On the Westside the grass was so tall I almost had to stop underneath the powerlines.  Greasy in several places but no trail damage.  Attention needs to be given to an area on the NE side of the lake before rock n roll that always stays very well.  Two big mud holes that are 5ft wide.  This area always seems to stay wet even after its been dry for awhile.       
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 11, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Rode a few laps at Westwood this past Sunday and IMHO were 60-70% good to go.  Jan and his crew have been trimming and trail sight-lines are improving.  I stopped and worked on a few more corners by removing the honeysuckle in the vicinity.


 I noticed that in a few areas, someone has been cutting branches off the honeysuckle.  First of all, THANK YOU very much.  You are special, because most users will not take the time to do this. But can I ask you a huge favor? Please cut the honeysuckle COMPLETELY out by cutting it off at the base, approximately 6 or so inches from the ground. Then drag it out of the way.  This REALLY improves sight lines and gives us a better chance to see the remaining stump, so we can come back and spray it and really get rid of it.  I like to take a small folding handsaw with me when I'm on such a mission.  Again, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 23, 2013, 09:54:05 PM
First 1/2 lap is good, but once you hit the north side, it is very weedy.  And very end of the lap is good too.  I'd call it YELLOW until that gets cleared.  It's a bummer, because a lot of the trail is very good.


If a weed whacking crew develops, my advice would be to start at the north gate, cross the floating bridge and head south on the east side.  Another bad area is the lake overlook which is past "lights out" bridge. Best to approach this from the northern most eastgate if that makes any sense.  You would be hiking in from where the "IMBA bench" is located. Both of these areas have high grass.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 27, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
I'd call it YELLOW until the weeds are cleared.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 28, 2013, 07:01:12 PM
Lake overlook area just down from "lights out" bridge is all clear now.  Cleared a couple short sections 1/2 mile before the "IMBA" bench too.   We're getting there.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on June 28, 2013, 08:02:09 PM
I'm headed out to weedeat on the 4th. If anyone wants to join me?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Alex Sexton on June 28, 2013, 09:02:41 PM
I'm headed out to weedeat on the 4th. If anyone wants to join me?


"applauds" for doing trail work on a holiday  ;D
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Raleighguy29 on June 29, 2013, 07:23:25 AM
What shape is the trail for a ride tomorrow morning. Haven't been here before so not sure  how it weathers.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 29, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
What shape is the trail for a ride tomorrow morning. Haven't been here before so not sure  how it weathers.


Westwood's been handling the rain well this year.  Though Bryon Horn, who lives nearby, says they got a pretty good storm yesterday after I was done string trimming.  A lot of the weedwacking has been done on the 10 mile loop, but not all.   That's the only issue.   North side stretch in particular is very bad. About a 1/4 mile.  Other than that, the trails riding great. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on July 04, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Ran it this morning greenish yellow ..example big dig totally dry..also a guy weed whacking near floating brdg thanks!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: john7722 on July 04, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
That was me Weed Eating.  I did not get as much done as I had hoped for. Only about a mile in total . East from floating bridge.  Half mile west from floating bridge.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on July 05, 2013, 12:17:30 PM
That was me Weed Eating.  I did not get as much done as I had hoped for. Only about a mile in total . East from floating bridge.  Half mile west from floating bridge.


Make no mistake, that mile you did was a HUGE effort and made a very big difference.  Big kudos go out to you.   I know Bryon Horn did some work in that area as well, so thanks go out to him too.


 We rode a couple laps yesterday, and Westwood is very rideable now.  Not perfect, but pretty good.  I'd call it yellow.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on July 05, 2013, 09:34:35 PM
Thanks Huf and wwrunner2 for the heads-up on trail conditions.

The sections recently trimmed are nothing short of impressive. Thanks to you guys for that! You made my day. Literally!

Two great laps. Color me a happy camper.

 :D
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Chappy on July 27, 2013, 08:15:52 AM
Just spoke to Westwood.  Train closed today.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on July 27, 2013, 10:27:40 AM
Jan (park mgr)says its wet now, but with some sun and heat this afternoon, trail should be good to go.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mojo on September 22, 2013, 09:17:19 PM
Rode WW today trail is perfect!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: David Kuehnen on September 28, 2013, 02:52:36 PM
WW was in great shape today.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: holzhaus on October 25, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
Trail is really dry today- not a single mud splatter. Green status.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: RT on November 11, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
Tree down between bridge 13 and 14.  It's located closer to 13. Trail was in excellent shape but as expected ALOT of leaves. A few other random small trees down but you could bunny hop them
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: M Hill on November 16, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
I rode the trails today.  All green ,trails are in great shape. I removed 3 down trees.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: joeynadri on February 26, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
Anyone been to WW recently? Trails rideable?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on February 27, 2014, 12:01:53 AM
With the temps as cold as they are right now, yes they are.  When it warms up and they thaw they won't be.
 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Matt Ploch on March 26, 2014, 07:29:58 PM
Rode WWP Sunday, the trail was surprisingly in good shape, just the usual wet spots in the big dig etc.  Lots of debris and low hanging stickers, few down trees around miles 7-9. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on March 31, 2014, 10:49:27 PM
Did a few laps at WW yesterday(Sunday). Matt's review was right on target.  Minus the Big Dig and several areas where there's downfall, the trails in pretty good shape.  Very rideable.  Infact it needs tires...and riders with folding handsaws! I did what I could but ran out of daylight.  Really only one log that will need a chainsaw.  It's right before the last climbing turn before the westside powerlines.


I'm afraid the only solution that would work on making the big dig ride well year round, would be to make a lot of it into elevated tread. We'd need a lot rock to make that come true.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on April 17, 2014, 10:22:49 PM
Westwood is yellow. Might even be green. Haven't seen the big dig area though.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on April 19, 2014, 05:49:02 PM
Ran WW today drug a few limbs off not to many bike tracks and nobody in parking lot when I got there or left. Big tree down just north of powerlines  and south on east side and a couple of trees on east you can ride under need chain saw. Also bridge 9 is loose on one side on ne side I don't know if a bike hit it the left side if the weight of bike and rider could tilt it cuase its loose on that side??  One big white swan at north end.  Mostly wet on new big dig reroute.. water not on at horse camp yet but on at restrooms at parking lot.  :)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: creekside on April 24, 2014, 09:22:01 PM
Trail in great shape overall. A few mushy spots in open area past bridge 5. Wish I had a pruner...head, face and arms took a beating.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: JT on April 27, 2014, 06:23:04 PM
Rode the trail today.  This is the best condition it has ever been in.  The weeds are just starting to creep into the trail.  One more week and you will need to put the pants and long sleeves on but until then...hit it!  :)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: kjsayers on May 04, 2014, 02:27:22 PM
Westwood in in great shape except for the face slappers between mile 4-7
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Raleighguy29 on May 04, 2014, 04:22:34 PM
Yes one of those about took me off the bike


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 05, 2014, 09:42:52 AM
If we call a work day to rid the trail of face slappers(honeysuckle mostly) could you guys pitch in?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Raleighguy29 on May 05, 2014, 12:08:25 PM
As long as it's a day that I don't work and we can ride after I'm there mike.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on May 20, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Ran over the weekend a big tree down after bridge 8... also i broke off a bunch of honeysuckle even got to where I could break the smaller ones on the fly but still a lot hanging over trail that would  hit bikers in a few areas
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: edf on May 23, 2014, 09:04:58 AM
Any updates? Thinking about making a return trip to Westwood tomorrow morning for the first time in 3 years.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 23, 2014, 09:36:25 AM
I havent been there for a couple of weeks, so take this for what its worth.


The trail tread will be perfect.   Westwood is doing amazing during wet times.   Unfortunately though, we still have our work cut out for us beating back the honeysuckle and weeds.  Weve tackled a few REALLY bad honeysuckle sections, removing lots of it completely.   This has dramatically improved these sections by increasing sight lines and just better ride lines.   You'll notice some really nice reroutes too.


Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: edf on May 24, 2014, 03:01:30 PM
Westwood was good today. The tread was perfect. One muddy spot and that was all. The weeds were mostly good. The section on the east side between the power line crossing and the floating bridge was getting rough with low honeysuckle, etc. Wished I had brought my mini clippers along with me. The grass in some of the open areas (along the Big Dig, power line crossing and  the upper part of the dam) was getting long as well.

I did notice a few reroutes where I could see new bench cutting done. Interesting to see technique differences between the original trail (built about 10 years ago?) and the reroutes.

Overall a great ride and workout.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on May 31, 2014, 11:52:12 AM
New big tree down right after bridge 9 within sight of it
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: David Kuehnen on May 31, 2014, 06:13:53 PM
Trail is in awesome shape.  Unfortunately it is in need of a lot of triming/mowing
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mstrahlj on June 18, 2014, 01:27:40 PM
Just a heads up to anyone thinking about riding Westwood. The trail could use some major trimming and there are several low branches and trees down that need attention. I spent most of the evening last night when I got home picking thorns out of my arms. They were everywhere. The trail itself is in really good shape though. There are a few spots in the clearings where it is hard to tell where the actually path is.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: chez whitey on June 29, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
Might want to flip that button to red since the front gate's telling people the trail is closed.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: chez whitey on June 29, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Another interesting note, the Westwood pamphlet says hikers must yield right of way to horses and bikers.  Not really in line with every other park I've been to.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: deanarammalamma on June 30, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
Might want to flip that button to red since the front gate's telling people the trail is closed.

Done.. Did they say why?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rufhausen on July 01, 2014, 05:00:21 PM
Any sense on if the trail will be open and rideable by this Sunday(7/6)? I'll be visiting from Colorado and planned on meeting a friend to ride since I haven't ridden here since moving from Indy several years ago?


Edit: Just realized I started this thread 8 years ago though that account is listed as "Guest" now. Weird. :)
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: chez whitey on July 01, 2014, 07:22:18 PM
They just said the trails were being worked on.  I was camping with friends so I didn't really press, just found other things to do.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on July 01, 2014, 11:53:46 PM
Any sense on if the trail will be open and rideable by this Sunday(7/6)

I rode there 6/29 and the trail was open.  Called ahead to make sure.  There were many fresh-trimmed branches on the ground in the last mile or two.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on July 26, 2014, 01:44:09 PM
ran this morning.. at about 3.5 miles before bridge 9 and after a big dip that has boards on south side and filled with gravel..17 paces past that there is a old metal fence post exposed right in the middle of the trail extends up about 1 1/2 inch { good  tire flattener!!!!!)  I place a big rock right behind it and then piled some limbs along the north side of the trail and also  made a half ass teepee  to mark it.. cant believe ive never scene it before  but it needs cut off or dug out....also NE side of trail has been trimmed and weed wacked not all but most of it
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wall on July 30, 2014, 06:47:26 AM
Anyone know if Westwood got hit with the storm last night?  Radar didn't look like it went that far east and was planning on a ride after work.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wall on July 30, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
Just returned from a ride and the trail should be green.  They didn't get any rain and it was dusty in most places.  Great ride.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: tflorcik on September 06, 2014, 09:24:55 AM
everything's green, any updates?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions = Red
Post by: bghorn on September 06, 2014, 10:43:32 AM
everything's green, any updates?

Big deluge last night.  Please turn red. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: lilgrump on November 10, 2014, 10:30:51 AM
Rode Saturday morning, it's for sure green!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on November 11, 2014, 09:12:26 AM
Great ride yesterday at Westwood. Perfect conditions with very nice views of the lake!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Mattntp on February 20, 2015, 10:59:22 AM
thinking about riding tomorrow morning before the thaw...how are the bridges over the coves during winter?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on February 23, 2015, 09:58:23 AM
thinking about riding tomorrow morning before the thaw...how are the bridges over the coves during winter?


Did you go for it?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Mattntp on February 23, 2015, 11:28:15 AM
No rode the Fort after I saw how much snow came down
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on February 23, 2015, 05:27:38 PM
I bet WW would be amazing on a fatty with all the great lake views.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: twincamRob on February 23, 2015, 07:22:37 PM
A group of 5 of us tried our best to do WW on Sunday. Gave up a little past bridge #2 and went to Ft Ben. That last snow was too mean for our 29ers
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on February 23, 2015, 11:15:41 PM
Any fatbikes among the bunch of 5?


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: twincamRob on February 24, 2015, 05:10:52 AM
Nope. 4 29ers and a 27.5, biggest tire there was maybe a 2.3
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on February 24, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
Gotta go fatty for those conditions.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on March 31, 2015, 11:49:44 PM
Report from MJ is that Westwood is yellow.  It was yellow this past weekend...minus the big dig of course.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 19, 2015, 01:50:32 PM
Westwood is yellow. Green by tomorrow I'm sure.  Opened up a short but valuable reroute on the east side last night.  Getting abit weedy though.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: emandrews on June 04, 2015, 07:58:02 PM
Westwood is super overgrown. Does the park help with this at all? Wanted to do another lap but couldn't keep my speed up because I couldn't see far enough ahead.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 06, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
It's usually a collaborative effort between park staff and volunteers.  Join the Westwood Mountain bikers group on Facebook to pitch in or to stay on top of things.  We could use more volunteers who live close by the park.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on July 19, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Hiked Westwood backwards from the main trailhead to near the powerlines today.  The corridor has been weedwacked(not by me) and is nicely open. I did a few small projects along the way. Conditions looked pretty good. I did not see the first 7 miles of trail, but if it looks like the last 3,  I bet it's yellow. Could be green tomorrow.  Someone needs to verify the the condition of the first 7 miles though.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: AndyLee on July 19, 2015, 11:07:07 PM
I would love to help out on trail maintenance , I'm not on face book, could you post work days hear
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: AndyLee on July 23, 2015, 11:44:24 AM
Is the trail goin to be open soon, it has to be dry enough buy now
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: AndyLee on July 24, 2015, 09:10:36 AM
Does anyone know if the trail will be open this weekend,
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on July 26, 2015, 10:21:17 AM
Trail work day scheduled for Saturday August 8th from 7:00 am until noon.  The park will provide most of the equipment needed but if you have useful tools feel free to bring them.  Don't forget your bug spray, hydration packs, gloves, eye protection and long sleeves and pants. 

I will make a lap to determine the areas needing the most work and we will focus on those areas to make the most out of what we do.  There are shortcuts to different areas of the trail so we won't be carrying the equipment all the way around.

In it all of your mountain biking, trail running and hiking friends to come help, we will all benefit from the work done.  The more help we have the more trail will be cleared.

If you have any questions just post up and I'll do my best to answer.

Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on August 12, 2015, 08:08:25 PM
Trail is Green until we get a decent amount of rain, its like hero dirt right now but still needs some work cutting back weeds.  It is completely cut back and open from bridge 17 on but has some pretty bad spots before that bridge.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mdbhound25 on August 23, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
Anyone ridden WW lately, has it been trimmed? Heard there were some trail adjustments there and would like to get in a long ride today and haven't ventured that way this year.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mojo on August 23, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
  Thanks to all who have worked to clear the trail of weeds, two great laps today! Trail is in nice shape besides a small section before the big dig and then between miles 4.5-6.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: JT on September 04, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
Westwood is green.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: twincamRob on October 14, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Anyone been to WW lately? Haven't been all summer was curious of the condition
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: JTride on October 14, 2015, 08:29:11 PM
I rode for the first time there yesterday.  The trails are in good condition with a lot of leaves.  A few parts through the forest are a bit overgrown with your arms constantly rubbing against the nature.  Otherwise, everything was in good shape and I enjoyed the experience.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: twincamRob on October 15, 2015, 05:09:01 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on October 17, 2015, 05:13:19 PM
Mike Hufhand sprayed and trimmed some more of the areas that hadn't been hit yet a few days ago.  Maybe by the time snow flies we will have it all done.  Hopefully next year it won't get quite as bad before we can get to it, we are also working with the park on a different approach to keeping it cleared.  Thanks to everyone who came out to help this year!  Your efforts are appreciated by everyone who rides the trail!


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Nitainium on October 23, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
Trail awesome today. Log down at bridge 9 reported to gatehouse.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: plapham on November 03, 2015, 09:58:57 AM
Trail nice but leafy!  Tree still at bridge 9, the WW crew should be on it given the fact you pay $5.50 to ride?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on January 18, 2016, 07:43:12 AM
Rode the fatty at WW yesterday afternoon and the light snow was perfection. A couple of bridges were very slick though, so be cautious. Luna(the pooch) didn't like them one bit!

Tree down right after you cross the road(last mile) and the last 2 bridges are being rebuilt, so be ready to hike over or around.

Beautiful out there this time of year.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ringo on February 14, 2016, 12:52:53 PM
The trail is in excellent shape- no tire ruts or frozen footprints. About 2-3" of snow cover even before the forecasted February 14 snowfall. Only one fresh fatty track and my track in the snow. Bonus: no gate fee today either.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on April 17, 2016, 03:12:14 PM
The majority of the trail is green right now, however there are still a couple spots that you might need to walk through.  The big dig never really dries completely out until about August!  lol  There were several trees down due to the high wind and storms we have had lately but the park knows about them and will be clearing them soon, if not already done. 


The trail is in need of some minor pruning in spots already.  We are working with Jan (park manager) to get the trail sprayed so weeds don't overtake the trail by mid summer like usually happens.  We predict that if we can get it sprayed then it will need minimal attention and will remain open and enjoyable all year.  If you have interest in helping with the pruning and spraying on workdays please message me your number so I can let you know when we will be working.  If you want to go out and work on your own feel free to do so.  A pair of hand pruners that will fit in your hydration pack will go a long way right now!


There are a few of us that are willing to help out and work to keep the trail enjoyable but a 10 mile loop is hard to do for just a few people, especially since there are only a few spots where we can reach by vehicle.  Any and all help is appreciated!


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Zinjanthropus on June 02, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
Before the showers yesterday the trail was in great shape, minus a few greasy spots. Nearly wedged myself between the down tree and BR #3 which gave me a good laugh. I ducked just in time. There was another tree down, about 100 feet after BR #14 I believe.

The newly built replacement bridges are excellent but I agree, knowing of them and being ready for them is in your best interest. I hope to get out to Westwood more this year so I can rega militarize myself with where everything is at so I can get a bit more 'whoop' when entering the new bridges. Their angles remind me of the ramps on the TRTP tabletops, but don't quote me. Once you know what to expect they'll be great fun!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on June 04, 2016, 09:32:21 AM
I think we will need to reroute the approach to the new bridges since it doesn't flow well to use them.  The way the trail currently is it still lends its self to using the old bridges and it makes you have to turn back on the trail to enter the new bridge, especially for the first one, the second one isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: marc_laker on July 08, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Are the trails really red? I want to ride WW but will not make the drive if they are wet. Thanks for a quick reply.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: joshlion843 on July 08, 2016, 10:34:34 PM
i was wondering the same thing. little bro has baseball in new castle tomorrow. i love westwood.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on July 14, 2016, 01:27:57 PM
Sorry guys, I've been out of town backpacking the Appalachian Trail.  I got home last night and obviously with the storms that came through yesterday they will be red today.  I would say with as dry as it was before the storms that they will be yellow either tonight or tomorrow morning but definitely tomorrow afternoon they should be able to be ridden.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gearboy on July 16, 2016, 07:10:23 PM
Anyone able to update how the trail is?  Was hoping to ride tomorrow, but only if things are good to go!


Thanks
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on July 16, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
It's a solid yellow if not green.  It has a couple miles that are overgrown a little but the majority of the trail is good.  Have a good ride! 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on July 22, 2016, 01:47:27 PM
Word is that Westwood is green with some yellow overgrowth segments.  The trail tread at Westwood drys very fast.  Go ride Westwood!


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mojo on August 06, 2016, 08:24:13 PM
 WW is in its best shape in years. A little overgrown around mile marker 4, mile marker 6 and a few spots between miles 8-9 along the lake. Nice job on the reroutes and new bridges.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on August 09, 2016, 10:12:30 AM
WW is in its best shape in years. A little overgrown around mile marker 4, mile marker 6 and a few spots between miles 8-9 along the lake. Nice job on the reroutes and new bridges.

Be sure to join group Westwood Mountain Bikers on Facebook if you haven't already. Ride on!


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ktownrider on August 09, 2016, 12:10:37 PM
I agree with my old riding buddy Mojo.... trail is good with only a few hanging limbs and a few places that my old eyes could have used a better sight line of the trail... all in all it was a great ride for my first time back on the trail in waaaaaay toooo long.....   ( formerly known as Westwoodrnr)...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on August 11, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
I had a conversation with Jan, Westwood Park Manger, this morning.  He asked me to pass on a couple things to everyone. 


First of all, thank you to everyone who has helped clean and spray the trail this year.  It has really helped in the areas that were sprayed and he hopes to continue spraying and get the trail opened up all the way around all year long.


Next, keep in mind that the trail status indicators on this site are not always accurate.  If you ever have a question on whether the trail is open or not please call the gatehouse at (765)987-1232.  They can tell you if it is open or not.  There are only a few of us that live out here in the area but none of us have access to change the trail status.  Posting a question on here is ok if you have a few days to wait for the answer but if not your best bet is to call the park.


Lastly, if you are out riding and there is a tree down across the trail, a bridge that needs work or anything that needs attention beyond just being overgrown please make a mental note of where it is and stop at the gate house on your way out and let them know.  The best way to tell them about the problem area is to give them the bridge number it is closest to, which side of the bridge it is on and about how far away from the bridge it is.  The park staff knows where all the bridges are and have trail maintenance access points to get into the trail so the more you can pinpoint the problem the better the chance of getting it fixed.


I also need to throw it out there that I have absolutely no authority or responsibility for the park.  I do live close, help maintain the trail and know Jan and most of the park employees but I am not one of them, I am not an HMBA officer or anyone else that has any say in anything.  I merely try to pass on information about the park when I get it and try to let people know when the trail status indicators aren't what I feel they should be since I live close and have a good feeling on what it should be.


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: RT on August 14, 2016, 08:52:16 PM
Thank you Firefighter56 for the info!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on August 22, 2016, 10:51:06 PM
I'm sure Westwood is at least YELLOW now, most likely GREEN.  Westwood does very well when wet due to the rocky sandy soil.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: lilgrump on August 26, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
Sorry I hope this isn't annoying, but it is ok to night ride Westwood?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on August 27, 2016, 03:23:16 PM
Unfortunately no.  Westwood wants all trail users off the trail before dark.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ktownrider on August 29, 2016, 06:44:29 AM
Stopped by WW yesterday and the park has the trail closed ... they stated there were a lot of down trees / limbs blocking the trail in several areas ... 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Garrett4800 on August 29, 2016, 03:37:37 PM
Stopped by WW yesterday and the park has the trail closed ... they stated there were a lot of down trees / limbs blocking the trail in several areas ...
It's yellow on hmba.org. Can someone make it say red because that would suck to drive all the way there just for it to be closed.

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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on September 03, 2016, 11:53:54 AM
Ran Westwood today a bike passed me and lady at the gate said it's open for bikes now
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ktownrider on September 06, 2016, 01:08:20 PM
Rode WW on Sunday and the trail was in good shape however there are several low hanging limbs ( a couple I could not duck under ) along the trail....  All and all a great ride with my son!

So I have been out of the loop for a LONG time ... whets the trail work protocol these days?  I would like to volunteer some time to do what I can...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ktownrider on September 08, 2016, 06:44:13 AM
The boy and I hit WW yesterday after school and work ... wow it was HOT.  The trail is in good shape and starting to get a bit dusty and loose in the corners already... there are still several low hanging limbs that causes me to duck underneath....  I will be out of state next week but upon my return I think I am going to run/hike the trail and prune as many of these back as I can....
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on September 08, 2016, 10:57:38 PM
With the rain that came through today I would assume the trail is most likely yellow but make sure to call the gatehouse at (765)987-1232 before driving very far to make sure you can ride.


Ktownrider, if you would like to volunteer your time to help on the trail, anytime during business hours (8-4) you can just go to the park and tell them that you would like to do so and they will help you out.  The park is great about letting volunteers use the tools needed to maintain the trail with the exception of a chainsaw.  Thanks for your willingness to help out!


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ringo on October 06, 2016, 08:38:20 AM
Does anyone have a report on the state of the trail? Is it overgrown much?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ringo on October 06, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
I rode one lap then bagged it since it is pretty overgrown. Lots of scrubbing afterwards, hoping I don't get a poison ivy outbreak.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on October 09, 2016, 06:20:15 PM
Grab a weed trimmer and take a lap, we love help.  As you can see there aren't very many people out here who put in the time to keep the trail as open as some people like it.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ktownrider on October 12, 2016, 09:51:37 AM
Ran 5 miles at WW lastnight and the trail is starting to get covered with the falling of leaves as autumn comes rushing in. 

It never stops amazing me how lucky I am to have such a great trail to take refuge from the daily grind... I love this trail!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on October 12, 2016, 10:19:52 AM
Ran 5 miles at WW lastnight and the trail is starting to get covered with the falling of leaves as autumn comes rushing in. 

It never stops amazing me how lucky I am to have such a great trail to take refuge from the daily grind... I love this trail!
Westwood is awesome in the fall/winter. Beautiful views!


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Ktownrider on October 14, 2016, 01:54:29 PM
Ran 4 on the trail yesterday during the middle of the day... the park was showing off its awesome fall colors with shades of gold and yellow among the fallen leaves.... If all goes well and the weather holds up going to ride it on Sunday...
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wheatstraw on October 25, 2016, 11:39:27 PM
Westwood was in classic fall shape yesterday.  Lots of leaves and sticks down.  The levee trail was pretty overgrown and hard to follow for that ~400 yards.  In mile 8-9 the brush was poking onto the trail a lot.  But nothing wet, nothing damaged, and generally a fantastic afternoon in the woods.  Get out there!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on October 26, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
Trail is in good shape right now.  Leaf covered so its not really fast but it is a fantastic fall woodsy ride!  If you haven't been for a while go check it out!  The majority of the undergrowth is dying off so the trail is opening up nicely for an excellent fall ride.


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: LazyBeerNutz on November 15, 2016, 07:51:10 PM
Rode a full lap today.  My first time there.  Totally rideable on a singlespeed.  There is one tree down on the East side towards the North end.  It looks like beaver damage  and is completely blocking the trail.  I have pics if you're interested.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on November 17, 2016, 10:05:57 PM
Tree has been removed.  Glad you were able to get out to Westwood!  Just so everyone knows the condition of the trail currently, today I turned my fastest lap since August of 2014!  It doesn't get any better than right now!  Go ride! 


I spoke with Jan and we discussed a plan for next year.  He is excited about the possibility of getting some more help with getting the trail opened up and sprayed.  If we can get everything cut back and sprayed in the late winter or early spring it should stay open all year!  Could you imagine riding Westwood at anytime during the year with no weeds rubbing your legs and no face slappers!


Mike Huffhand has been working recently with a couple small reroutes and fixing some trail damage from fallen trees and the work he has done really helped the flow of the trail.  I am hoping that we can also do a couple small reroutes to help with flow on the approach to the 2 new bridges made this year after the road crossing during some of the work days later on.


There are some great things that could happen at Westwood but its going to take some help from several people.  We will be sure to let everyone know when the work days are with as much advance notice as possible.  If you want an email or text to notify you of workdays just shoot me a PM with your preferred contact info.  Thanks in advance!!


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on November 25, 2016, 12:40:35 PM
Ran WW yesterday and theres a large tree thats rotten that fell just after the 4 mile mark under the powerlines about the midway  up the hill. Top of it is just enough to go across the trail.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on November 25, 2016, 04:36:25 PM
Ran WW yesterday and theres a large tree thats rotten that fell just after the 4 mile mark under the powerlines about the midway  up the hill. Top of it is just enough to go across the trail.
How were conditions beyond just the tree being down? Trail tread wet but firm? Wet and slippery? Wet with pooling water? Tacky and perfect?


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on November 26, 2016, 06:02:44 PM
Thanks, I'll see what I can do about the tree.  That would be just after bridge 12 if I remember correctly.  I know exactly where you are talking about but when relaying the info to the park they like to know the location by what bridge it is closest to and what side of the bridge it is on.  They know their access points by what bridge they are close to.  Thanks for the info!


Doug
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on November 26, 2016, 10:18:59 PM
Tree has been reported and may be removed on Monday.  If they can't get to it on Monday I'll try to get out there on Tuesday and take care of it.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on December 09, 2016, 09:57:13 AM
I'd put the trail as blue out here too.  Cold and snowy here the same as it is everywhere else.  Our ground is frozen right now too.  If you ever have a question on whether the trail is open to ride or not you can always call (765)987-1232 and ask before driving out there.  That is the number to the gatehouse and they should be able to answer any question you have about the trail.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: holzhaus on January 27, 2017, 06:14:47 PM
I ran this morning. Should be excellent for the weekend.
Watch out for two trees fallen on trail: just past mile 3 and mile 4. Will require chainsaw work.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on February 02, 2017, 09:07:19 PM
Thanks for the info!  I went out Tuesday this week and cleared all that I could.  I got everything ridaeable except the one large tree across the trail and into the woods just before bridge 8.  There was one more that I couldn't move but I made a small re-route off the trail and if you can do a good log hop then you'll make it, if not then you'll have to get off for that one too.  There are a few more spots that need some attention but are good enough to ride for now.  I'll get back out as soon as I can but the park likes for their employees to be the ones with the chain saws and since they don't come back until either late March or early April it might be then before the trees are cleared off the trail.


Mike Huffhand has also been out making some trail improvements for flow and erosion issues.  They need to be ridden in (packed down) so if you have a fat bike and are looking for a place to take a spin please come help us and take a ride out here!  Other mountain bikes are just as welcome and needed but a fat bike packs a bigger path in one shot.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on February 06, 2017, 05:12:15 PM
The trail got cleared and trimmed back today from the beginning to the top of the dam.  I plan to continue cutting back and clearing everything I can on my available days.  I am hoping to have a work day sometime towards the end of March to knock out anything that is left.  Hopefully in early April we can start spraying the entire trail so it won't become overgrown during the summer like it has in years past. 


I would like to give a HUGE thank you to everyone that is working on the trail.  This is my home trail and I spend a lot of time on it all year round.  It aggravates me just as much as anyone when it is overgrown and hard to ride.  I am really hoping that everyone's combined efforts in opening and spraying the trail this year works and it is able to be kept open all year round!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on February 17, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
How is the trail going to be this weekend?
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on February 17, 2017, 10:08:56 PM
It's gonna be pretty darn good. I was working on the east side and it looks great. Trail tread is tacky to dry and the corridors are nice and open. Beautiful views of the lake everywhere!


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on February 17, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: trbsami on May 11, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Possibly get to do a first- for- me ride here Sat - what are trail conditions if there`s no more rain?
Thx
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on May 11, 2017, 10:41:37 PM
I was out there this past Monday doing some trailwork and conditions were pretty good. I only saw about a mile of trail, so I'm sure the usual places(Big Dig, bottom of dam) might have some moisture hanging around, but I wouldn't let that stop you.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: TommyT on June 05, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
Trail conditions were perfect today.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 24, 2017, 05:39:47 PM
A large tree down at the knock out bridge I wouldn't advise going under it not much holding it up , tree down about  a minute south of bridge 19 heading south, another tree held up by mostly vines just before the new bridge I  think its #8. Trail was firm and  tacky not a whole lot of water puddles on it  at all it. Rocks n roll had some extra water  and the usual areas but should  be good tomorrow, I would call gate house to double check. Surprised with all the rain but maybe it came down so fast it drained off quicker. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on June 24, 2017, 05:49:43 PM
A large tree down at the knock out bridge I wouldn't advise going under it not much holding it up , tree down about  a minute south of bridge 19 heading south, another tree held up by mostly vines just before the new bridge I  think its #8. Trail was firm and  tacky not a whole lot of water puddles on it  at all it. Rocks n roll had some extra water  and the usual areas but should  be good tomorrow, I would call gate house to double check. Surprised with all the rain but maybe it came down so fast it drained off quicker.

How's the overgrowth?


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 25, 2017, 11:27:19 AM
Several sections had been weed eated recently the worst spot now is from the clearing at the rocks and roll up to the floating bridge area. also some more spraying had been done in some areas also. The little black biting flies are really active now also
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: holzhaus on July 04, 2017, 12:06:02 PM
This morning the trail was dry - good riding. A little bit overgrown in some places but it was obvious where it had been sprayed and it helped a lot.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mojo on July 19, 2017, 10:25:38 PM
Hot/Humid but great ride today. Thanks to all who have worked so hard to clear WW!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: firefighter56 on August 05, 2017, 04:35:58 PM
Trail is perfect!  Go ride and check out all the new trail fixes and reroutes that Mike Huffhand has been working on this year!  Mike has had some help with spraying and trail work but he has been the driving force for the accomplishments.  It is worth checking out, especially if you haven't been out here for a while.  Westwood is in better shape right now than I have ever seen for this time of year.  It is as clear right now as it is in early spring before it has a chance to get overgrown.  Thank you to the many people who have put time in out here this year, your efforts have come to fruition!

Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ltilmans on August 11, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
Trail is dry and the first and last section are decent. Everything in the middle is massively overgrown. Some areas you can barely see your front tire. Not much traffic on this trail. Lot of branches down on trail. also seems like a lot of areas that used to be soft hard pack are now loose gravel/rock which makes for much slower riding.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: biomed_j on August 11, 2017, 10:49:04 PM
I ride out there this week and the rerouted needs a little rain but after they get worked in the trail will have a much better flow. But your statement about over growth is just bogus.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: ltilmans on August 12, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
Seriously? The area by the rock n roll is so overgrown.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: mojo on August 13, 2017, 07:30:56 AM
Have to agree with biomed_J.  Rode two laps the trails in great shape. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: tomc on August 25, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
First time out there today and really enjoyed it. I kinda expected a rougher feel from the descriptions I read. There were a lot of leg grabbers and face slappers but I'm thinking this might be normal for this trail. Anyway I think I cleared out all the spider webs for everyone. 
Title: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on August 25, 2017, 05:56:58 PM
Glad you liked it. There's been a lot of positive changes at Westwood this past year. The reviews need to be updated for sure. Be sure to join Westwood Mtn Bikers on Facebook too.


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Wall on September 16, 2017, 09:57:17 AM
Hit Westwood yesterday for the first time this year and really liked the changes.  Good job guys.  I had it at around 8.6 miles with 574ft of climbing.  Nice XC loop.


The leaves are starting to change and the views around the lake are really great.


The entry fee of $7.50 kind of shocked me but I think later in the season they quit collecting an entry fee for the winter.


If you haven't ridden Westwood in a few years you should go back and check it out.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: Dave Tozer on September 18, 2017, 07:51:16 AM
I was on the fence regarding a trip to Westwood yesterday but officer Wall gave me the push I needed.  :D

Great time of year to ride out there. The trail was great.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: gearboy on October 16, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
Wanted to head out tomorrow and ride a couple of laps, but was curious if anyone knew how the trails are?

Thanks

Dave
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: MikeHufhand on October 16, 2017, 04:46:06 PM
Wanted to head out tomorrow and ride a couple of laps, but was curious if anyone knew how the trails are?

Thanks

Dave
Here now....conditions are stellar!


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Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on February 17, 2018, 05:06:30 PM
Ran this morning large tree down right before bridge #13 or "Knockout" a smaller one right after horse crossing before the power lines.... Floating bridge has a pretty big hole on top of it and I noticed around some of the bolts or rivets its starting to crack around some of them also maybe it needs a closer look ... The first year I started going to Westwood was 05 and I'm pretty sure the bridge was in place then so it has some age..... Saw 4 eagles they took off  from the point on the east side at the end of the dam one with the white and 3 all dark. They flew across toward campground the  one with the white landed in a tree and two of them did aerial acrobatics crashing into each other little far away but really interesting. Not far from the 2 we saw in Dec  2015 behind those houses... also 8 or 9 deer were in the road by the gate house when we left then ended up at Sparkys Doghouse in MT Summit pretty good cheese burgers!!!!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: grayhound on May 13, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
Hats off to whomever has been adding “flow”to the trail! Visited today for the first time in awhile and while the earlier sections seem the same(with subtle improvements) the later sections have much more flow and speedy sections. Many of the turns have been slightly bermed so there’s much less washing out on the gravely tread! Of course the trail still has  the sudden braking turns with the usual punchy climbs which continues the original character of Westwood. Loved the ride!
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: wwrunner2 on June 02, 2018, 02:10:55 PM
Ran WW this morning from the about  first chicane at horse trail interchange to the 5 mile marker a ton of trees down lost track of how  many. Lots of small sticks etc on the trail. A few smaller limbs down on the west side not a whole lot one bigger tree down at the pine trees west of the floating bridge. The park said 70mph winds came thru Thursday. I would check with park to see when its cleaned up. I had been the first one around since the storm. 
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on December 18, 2018, 02:59:37 PM
Trail is in good shape overall.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: HARVEY on September 01, 2019, 02:37:36 PM
The trail has not been maintained this year. The conditions are appalling. Ride here only if you like weeds, downed trees, low hanging branches, etc. Worst trail in Indiana.
Title: Re: Trail Conditions
Post by: rangelinenaturepreserve on December 15, 2019, 08:13:19 PM
Trail is in GREAT shape.  It's been trimmed all the way around.  Deadfall is being consistently removed (except for logs intended to be trail features).  Bridges have been repaired/replaced.  Get it while it's good!