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HMBA Trail Information => Brown County State Park => Topic started by: Paul_Arlinghaus on January 06, 2017, 12:28:09 PM

Title: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Paul_Arlinghaus on January 06, 2017, 12:28:09 PM
 
Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Info and FAQ


Alex Stewart’s crew at Spectrum Trail Designs broke ground on the Hobbs Hollow Flow trail in December, 2016.  This trail will provide a new and unique trail experience at Brown County State Park and will help maintain Brown County’s status as a National mountain bike destination.  Alex and his crew will be working, as weather permits, through the winter and spring, and will complete the downhill section of the trail by July 2017.  In late spring and early summer we will be holding volunteer work days to support the project.  The project is funded through a $50,000 Indiana Tourism Destination Grant, which HMBA is matching with an additional $50,000.  HMBA has already raised $26,000 and will be fund raising in 2017 to fully fund the project.  Please help us by volunteering and donating to the HMBA Trail Fund.


The Hobbs Hollow Flow trail will start at Hesitation Point.  It will head west and descend for 1.5 miles (350 feet of elevation) down to the valley bottom. It will then climb back up and have another mile long descent (250 feet of elevation).  The trail will climb back up and rejoin the trail system at the Aynes/Green Valley intersection.


The goal is to have a soft opening in July and then dial the trail in for the official grand opening at the 2017 Big Woods Brown County Epic (Oct 6th-8th).
 

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 Q.        Hobbs Hollow is a full on “Flow trail”! What’s Flow trail?
A.        “Flow Trails take mountain bikers on a terrain-induced roller coaster experience, with little pedaling and braking necessary. This style of trail typically contains features like banked turns, rolling terrain, various types of jumps, and consistent and predictable surfaces. Conspicuously absent are abrupt corners or unforeseen obstacles. As a rider carves back and forth, and up and down, he or she develops a rhythm and flows down the trail.
Flow trails are what you make them: leisurely rides with your kids where beginners can roll over dirt features and bypass technical ones, or an exploration of skills and airtime for fast, talented riders who want to turn the trail into the ultimate playground.”
https://www.imba.com/model-trails/flow-trails
 (https://cdn.apstatic.com/photos/mtb/92/75/1199275_medium_ad00e31371518697.jpg)
Bob Dog - Cold Water Mountain

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The Flow - Copper Harbor

Q. Isn’t Brown County already known for having Flow?

A. Yes, It’s hard to describe the current trails at Brown County without the word “Flow” being used. Each trail at Brown County flows in its own, often unique way.  And there are many Flow Trail features spread throughout the current trail system.  Green Valley comes the closest to a Flow Trail.  But, it’s largest descent only uses 150 feet of elevation as it stacks banked turns, berms, and jumps back to back.  Hobbs Hollow will use 350 feet of elevation with bigger flow features throughout the whole descent, and then do it again with 250 feet of elevation.  This trail will take flow to another level.


Q. But I like technical old school single track?


A. So do we! Hobbs Hollow is just part of a much bigger long term plan for the Brown County area.  In 2016 HMBA completed the narrow hand built Bob Cat Trail, worked with State Parks, State Forests, and Hoosier National Forest to connect these three trail systems, and opened the first two miles of the rough and rugged Crooked Creek Trail (Yellowwwood State Forest).  We are committed to building a large and diverse trail system that has something for everyone.  Those willing to expand outside their comfort zone will have a large system of diverse trails at their disposal.  This will present the difficult decision of which trails to ride on any given day. 


Q. What level of rider and what type of bike can ride Hobbs Hollow?


A. The great thing about Flow Trails is that they allow riders with a wide skill range to have a great trail experience.  Intermediate riders may coast through the turns and roll over the berms, while more experienced riders will pedal and rail the turns while catching air over the berms.  There will also be some optional features that allow rides to choose their own level of challenge.  Because the trail can be ridden more or less aggressively, riders can ride cross country bikes.  But, those wanting to catch air and ride the optional features, may want to ride a bigger travel bike.  Remember that there is no shuttle at the bottom, so ride a bike that you can pedal back up to the top.


Q. If I wanted to ride a trail like this what are some flow trails near Indiana.


A.  Well HMBA has already built a Flow Trial in Indiana.  Breeden Ridge at O’Bannon Woods is a Flow Trail.  The segment of Breeden Ridge heading East from the high point down to Potato Run is a good primer for the Hobbs Hollow Flow trail.  Other trails within a day’s drive of Indiana are The Flow (Copper Harbor), and Bob dog (Coldwater). 
Video of the Breeden Ridge Flow Trail at O’Bannon Woods State Park:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZKrYBidMyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZKrYBidMyw)
http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-trails/12-of-the-best-flow-trails-in-the-usa/ (http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-trails/12-of-the-best-flow-trails-in-the-usa/)


Q. Will this be a one way trail?


A. Yes (downhill only)
 
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Unfit Nitwit on January 06, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
Will it be bike only?  (Not that people will read the sign or care.)
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Paul_Arlinghaus on January 06, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
In the past, State Parks has not been open to closing a trail to hiking.  If open to hiking it will be clearly signed for hikers to yield to bikes.  The length of this trail will discourage most hikers from using it.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: ATimman on January 06, 2017, 04:33:16 PM
I rode Copper Harbor Michigan in September and there are more trails there than just The Flow, that I would consider flow trails.
Can't wait to ride Hobb's Hollow and hope at some point I can get down there to help build it.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: ztbishop on June 09, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
I haven't been able to make it to BCSP since Feb.  I was curious if any part of this is being ridden?  I realize not all trails are meant to be ridden before being completely connected so I thought I'd check in case I can get down this weekend.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Unfit Nitwit on June 10, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
Part of it with easy access to the road has been getting ridden for some time now. The newer sections might be accessible from another entry, but I haven't kept up on where that might be.  The Tuesday / Thursday group riders would be the most up to date on that most likely.  Well, short of those building it.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: JCampbell on July 08, 2017, 07:02:05 PM
Hiked the trail today and briefly watched Alex and crew working on a rock feature.  This trail is going to be awesome, but for now they are keeping the entrance and exit fairly well hidden to keep traffic off. 
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: JCampbell on July 24, 2017, 03:44:51 PM
Hiked the trail today to see how it was holding up to the rain and it was dry and solid everywhere except a couple of minor areas where they were working last Thursday.  Not muddy, but a bit soft. 


They've also completed a lot of new trail near the exit and went to a lot of trouble to block the old exit path.  The new section ends at a fairly over grown fire road and I lost the trail there.  Ended up back tracking to the old exit path, but they clearly don't want people riding out that way.  Anyone know if that fire road is the new exit and which direction you take it?
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Paul_Arlinghaus on July 24, 2017, 09:18:13 PM
The official exit will be a mile + of single track that will take you to the Green Valley Aynes intersection.  Most of that is built.  We are going to see if a short way back up by way of fire road can be made to allow quicker turns of the flow sections

Paul
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Steve King on August 17, 2017, 01:47:03 PM
Hi, reminder that this project is funded through a $50,000 Indiana Tourism Destination Grant, which HMBA must match with an additional $50,000.  HMBA has already raised $26,000 and is still fund raising to fully fund the project.  Please help by donating to the HMBA Trail Fund.  Check out this video of the trail.  Lets support Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ig8MjPt40

Please support by donating to the Trail Fund.

http://www.hmba.org/donate-to-the-trail-fund/
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: JCampbell on August 17, 2017, 05:30:19 PM
What's the name of the trail fund on AmazonSmile?
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Fett on August 18, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
What's the name of the trail fund on AmazonSmile?

It is "Hoosier Mountain Bike Association Inc"  on Amazon Smile
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Steve King on August 18, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
It is "Hoosier Mountain Bike Association Inc"  on Amazon Smile

You can find all of the details about Amazon Smile at the below link. Then click on "Learn more about AmazonSmile "  Amazon will donate 0.5% of the price of your purchases to HMBA.
https://smile.amazon.com/

For Kroger rewards you go to this link to sign up.  Search for "HOOSIER MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION # 34970"
https://www.kroger.com/account/enrollCommunityRewardsNow
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: JCampbell on August 19, 2017, 08:45:34 AM
Amazon will donate 0.5% of the price of your purchases to HMBA.
https://smile.amazon.com/ (https://smile.amazon.com/)


Be sure you make purchases from AmazonSmile or the donations won't apply.  Log in using smile.amazon.com, you should see AmazonSmile to the left of the search bar and "Supporting: (your charity)" below the search bar.  The website and user account is exactly the same, but if you log in directly to Amazon.com it doesn't credit the charity.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: bikerman on September 01, 2017, 10:17:31 AM
Is Hobbs Hollow completed and officially open?
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Steve King on September 01, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
Is Hobbs Hollow completed and officially open?
Not yet.  Plans are to have it open just before the Brown County Epic.
 
Reminder we are still need additional funds to pay for this project.  The project is funded through a $50,000 Indiana Tourism Destination Grant, which HMBA must match with an additional $50,000.  HMBA has already raised $26,000 and is still fund raising to fully fund the project.  Please help by donating to the HMBA Trail Fund.  Lets support Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail!

The link to donate.
http://www.hmba.org/donate-to-the-trail-fund/
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: JCampbell on September 17, 2017, 01:32:06 PM
I'm hoping there are plans to install one-way signage at the Hobbs exit soon.  I met a rider going the wrong way on it today.  He had no idea what the trail was, but saw a new trail at the GV intersection and started following it (backwards).
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Dan71 on September 17, 2017, 04:30:54 PM
I'm hoping there are plans to install one-way signage at the Hobbs exit soon.  I met a rider going the wrong way on it today.  He had no idea what the trail was, but saw a new trail at the GV intersection and started following it (backwards).


I passed a few riders and a pair of runners this week going up Hobbs also. 
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Wall on April 30, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
Not sure which Hobbs Hollow thread to put this on so it is going here.


Dips between jumps may need some armoring.  Hit a mud hole pretty deep to the axles which is quite a bit of a quick slow down at speed but was able to keep rubber side down.


Ruts in those dips that have dried out are pretty bad as well so manual that front wheel to stay on line.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: Steve King on May 04, 2018, 03:01:50 PM
Trail work session on Hobbs Hollow: May 5, 2018.
A number of drainages on the trail have developed ruts that, if not repaired could catch a wheel. This must be repaired asap. Hobbs will be closed Saturday morning, until repairs can be made. If you like riding Hobbs, please give back some time to help keep it dialed in.

Meet at Hesitation Point at 9:00 a.m.  If you arrive late, just hike down to the work site.
Title: Re: Hobbs Hollow Flow Trail
Post by: yarbian on April 09, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
Trail work on Hobbs this weekend. We'll have a Saturday and Sunday work day, 3/13 and 3/14 10am-4pm. Pop in and help, even if just for a few hours! We'll be focused on the first downhill.


Hope we'll see you there!