Hoosier Mountain Bike Association
HMBA Trail Information => Brown County State Park => Topic started by: Paul_Arlinghaus on July 31, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
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This Thread will be used specifically to report trail issues. Report downed trees, and other trail issues that HMBA's trail crew need to be aware of.
Also, please use a new tool to report trail issues: MAPRIKA
(http://indytrekracer.smugmug.com/Sports/BCSP-2013/i-zPkcNBn/0/L/Maprika-L.jpg)
This is an App for your smart phone or I Phone. You can download the 2013 Park Map. This is a great way to know where you are at on the trail and it has a cool feature called "send Location". If you choose "send location" from the menu, then you can choose to email your location. Once you are in your email application, you can add and attachment/Picture and take a picture of the trail issue. Send the email to
BCSPtrailissues@hmba.org
This will forward the map and photo to our trail crew leaders and park management. If we know exactly where an issue is, and what it looks like, we can get the right crew and tools to the location quickly.
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Will this also get the info posted to the forum in a timely fashion, or will we have to do that separately? Without a forum posting, other riders won't have a heads up about a hazard on the trail.
Will we now have to look in both Trail Conditions and Report Trail Issues to get all the trail condition info?
Is someone working to get Green Valley added to the BCSP map?
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There are three maps available for the BCSP.
If you zoom in on BCSP and hit the "+" icon, select "all maps", you should see three red icons. Two up by the mtb trails and one further South. The southern one is for the horse trails.
The two up north are for the mtb and hiking trails. One is "Brown County State Park" This is the old one with out Green Valley. The other is "Brown County State Park 2013". This one has Greenvalley.
Hope this helps.
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http://www.maprika.com/make-a-map.html
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I just uploaded the version I've been working on the last couple of weeks. It's a clean (electronic) copy of the 2013 map with about 15 GPS points set throughout the park. The name is:
"Brown County State Park - 2013"
Please note the "-" (dash) between "Park" and "2013" which is the only differentiation from the previous map discussed in this thread.
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Will this also get the info posted to the forum in a timely fashion, or will we have to do that separately? Without a forum posting, other riders won't have a heads up about a hazard on the trail.
Will we now have to look in both Trail Conditions and Report Trail Issues to get all the trail condition info?
Is someone working to get Green Valley added to the BCSP map?
The above quote is the second post in this thread, but no one has addressed the first two questions. The last question (adding GV to the latest map) has been discussed, but I still have related comments, stated below. Addressing gmcttr's questions--
1) gmcttr's first question: Will this [reporting the issue through Maprika] also get the info posted to the forum in a timely fashion, or will we have to do that separately? Without a forum posting, other riders won't have a heads up about a hazard on the trail.
Reporting the issue through Maprika will not post it to the forum, so, yes, if you use Maprika you will also have to post to the forum. If someone doesn't have a smartphone, or hasn't uploaded Maprika, they can still just report the issue to the forum.
2) gmcttr's second question: Will we now have to look in both Trail Conditions and Report Trail Issues to get all the trail condition info?
Yes. BCSP Trail Conditions is intended to give the big picture, especially for people who are driving from out of town and wonder what the trails are like now or may be like in the next few days. Trail Conditions is intended to report, or allow discussion for, things such as weather conditions, wet / muddy trails, freeze / thaw etc. Again, this is the big picture. The comments / posts in this thread would encompass all or most of the trails at BCSP.
Report Trail Issues is for people to report specific maintenance problems that need to be corrected or repaired eg. fallen trees, eroded berms, washed out stream crossings, growing mud holes etc. The comments / posts in this thread would point to a single location with a particular problem.
3) gmcttr's third question: Is someone working to get Green Valley added to the BCSP map?
This has apparently been done, which brings me to my other comments--
A) Is this map only available through Maprika? If someone can do it, it would be nice to have the map available somewhere (here on the forum???) as a pdf that can be easily downloaded to a desktop or laptop, and not just to a smartphone as part of an app.
B) Maprika is also being touted as a tool for locating injured or lost riders. But not everyone has a smartphone. If I fall off of Schooner with my not-so-smart phone I will have to call 911 and reference one of the trail location numbers. These are not very obvious, but every trail now has emergency location numbers. One is in this photo from another thread:
http://www.hmba.org/smf/index.php?topic=11919.msg98844#new (http://www.hmba.org/smf/index.php?topic=11919.msg98844#new)
People should note these location numbers on the trails that they frequent, especially the technical trails that don't get a lot of traffic. If the location numbers are not already on the downloadable Maprika map, maybe they could also be added to that for referance and familiararity.
Sorry for the big font. I typed this in Word, then copied and pasted and it will show only as either 8 or 14 point. And it keeps changing. If someone can fix it please do.
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This Thread will be used specifically to report trail issues. Report downed trees, and other trail issues that HMBA's trail crew need to be aware of.
Also, please use a new tool to report trail issues: MAPRIKA
(http://indytrekracer.smugmug.com/Sports/BCSP-2013/i-zPkcNBn/0/L/Maprika-L.jpg)
This is an App for your smart phone or I Phone. You can download the 2013 Park Map. This is a great way to know where you are at on the trail and it has a cool feature called "send Location". If you choose "send location" from the menu, then you can choose to email your location. Once you are in your email application, you can add and attachment/Picture and take a picture of the trail issue. Send the email to
BCSPtrailissues@hmba.org
This will forward the map and photo to our trail crew leaders and park management. If we know exactly where an issue is, and what it looks like, we can get the right crew and tools to the location quickly.
I downloaded the Maprika to my iPhone, got the BCSP and it finds my position. But I do not see the option to "send location"? Any idea what I am missing?
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On my Android, I hit the button that brings up Help, Settings, etc and Send Location is the first item on the list.
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On my Android, I hit the button that brings up Help, Settings, etc and Send Location is the first item on the list.
Thanks gmcttr,
I do not see that option on my iPhone. One menu has weather, food and coffee, places nearby and search. Other menu is labeled more and selections are my profile, settings, all tracks, start new track, meetings and my places. Nothing about send location.
Any iPhone users help?
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On my Android, I hit the button that brings up Help, Settings, etc and Send Location is the first item on the list.
Thanks gmcttr,
I do not see that option on my iPhone. One menu has weather, food and coffee, places nearby and search. Other menu is labeled more and selections are my profile, settings, all tracks, start new track, meetings and my places. Nothing about send location.
Any iPhone users help?
So far on my iPhone it seems I would have to first add the person to my contacts. Then create a meeting place... Then send the coordinates to that person.
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Has anyone been able to figure out how to report trail issues with the iPhone version of Maprika? I tried the "set up a meeting" technique (discussed earlier in this thread) with my riding buddy who also has an iPhone, but he never received the meeting notice.
I have a strong feeling after spending some time with Steve King and his Droid that the Maprika developers have a strong Droid bias! There are several missing features on the Apple version, and it just has a general bugginess to it.
Don't get me wrong, the app has got great potential, but the iPhone version is lagging the Droid version atm. Since the iPhone is my work-issued (i.e. FREE!) phone, switching to a Droid isn't really in the cards for me.
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Would you prefer people not post trail issues if they don't use the app? I was trying to be helpful but will refrain if that is preferable.
I agree with gmcttr, trail issues should be posted here, whether or not the app is used as well.
There are, I think, lots of people who don't have the app, perhaps because they don't have a smart phone (me), are from out of town/state and aren't aware of the app, or just don't have the time to load it and learn it. The only way that they will be aware of downed trees and other trail issues is through posts in this thread, so I think that this should be the first place to report trail issues.
I am on the mailing list that receives emails sent via Maprika. The email includes a map that shows the location of the sender, so if the email is sent while the sender is standing at the issue, I have a good idea of where it is on the trail. gmcttr also included a photo, so I could see the size of the tree. My comment only meant that the Maprika email is helpful, but it is not necessary. The most important thing is to make a post to this thread, so that everyone is aware of it.
gmtccr wrote: ....and posted here just to express that a couple of them could be left as new features if it was desired.
I agree with this too--I have training wheels on and I rode over the upper two last night (Wednesday), going uphill. I may cut them so that they lie flat on the ground, but not remove them. The one by the frog pond can go. I just didn't have time to ride back down with a saw. Probably Friday.
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...marker #15...
Thanks for the directions, but just so everyone knows, that would be marker I-5, Indicating trail I (the letter nomeclature used in the park brochure), marker 5.
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Paul_Arlinghaus (http://www.hmba.org/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=15) Is this email address working ? I rode BCSP on 11/21/13 and at each tree that was across the trails I rode. I pulled up Maprika and sent my location to BCSPtrailissues@hmba.org. I've since received numeral emails showing that the message sent failed. I've double checked the email addy I sent them to and it is correct. I know my phone is sending OK because I'd sent one to my own email addy to make sure this feature worked.. ?
Just curious,
BTW,, I'm sure ppl are aware of the trees by now. But, North Tower Loop had a good sized tree top down. Pine Loop and Green Valley also had tree issues from the storm that rolled thru Sunday 11/17/13.
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Webby, I didn't see any emails from the BCSPtrailissues@hmba.org, I will investigate.
I will check with our local chainsaw guys, for the trees that are down. Once the time changes, it is hard to get out during the week, so we are in the Winter trail mode, which means it may take us longer to remove downed trees.
Thanks for reporting the downed trees.
Paul
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A tree JUST fell on HP. Guy in front of me saw it come down about 20ft in front of me. This is just up the hill from the foundation.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160515/56e201e96ad097c1e4e808a6bea7e425.jpg)
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So that would be starting from the end of GV that meets NT?
How do I use GPS coordinates to know where something is on a trail if I am sitting at my computer? I plugged the coordinates into my phone, but it just shows a location in the big green parcel that is BCSP. If you had given only the GPS coordinates and no verbal description I wouldn't even know which trail to head to.
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So that would be starting from the end of GV that meets NT?
How do I use GPS coordinates to know where something is on a trail if I am sitting at my computer? I plugged the coordinates into my phone, but it just shows a location in the big green parcel that is BCSP. If you had given only the GPS coordinates and no verbal description I wouldn't even know which trail to head to.
This website's pretty handy for stuff like this:
http://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=39.17939,-86.22579&z=15&b=oc (http://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=39.17939,-86.22579&z=15&b=oc)
At the bottom of the left menu, click Add New Object > Add Marker, then enter the coordinates like this: 39d11.375m N, -86d14.236m W
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Sorry, with my GPS I just input the coordinates and zoom in until I can see the point location along the trail. The trees are on GV, about 0.6 miles in, starting from the NT end. I can't seem to get the insert image to work or I could show you location on the trail map.
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No, I am asking how to use the information. I don't know how to use the coordinates to find that exact location on the trail.
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Mahk, maybe Paul or someone with the Google Earth map of BCSP trails can send it to you since you don't have it.
Then you can see the location pointer on the trail layout instead of just in the park when you put the GPS in on your home computer.
Even with exact locations it means more to see it on the trail layout when you aren't on the trail.
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Thanks for the link and info, that's all helpful.
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Cleared a 14" oak from HP, but didn't have time to do the one on GV.
Also:
The GPS coordinates help, particularly if there is no good physical landmark that is nearby (trail intersection, bridge, log hop, stream crossing, fire road etc.). I have a map in Google Earth with all of the trails and I can plug in the coordinates and see where that location is on the trails. But, the coordinates have to be in a particular format. This format works:
N39° 11.217' W86° 14.635'
but this one does not:
39 deg 11' 12" N
86 deg 14' 39" W
The above points are only about 20 - 25 feet from each other on the trail, but I can't figure out how to transpose the last part (i.e. the (") part) of the latter into the format that matches last part (the three numbers after each decimal) of the former.
Any help?
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An "old school" way of converting is to take the X" part and divide by 60 to convert to the .Y format.
Thus, the 12" ==> .2 and the 39" ==> .65
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39 ° 11' 12" N is in (degrees) ° (minutes) ' and (seconds) " format otherwise call DMS. Most GPS use Decimal degree format or Decimal minute format
There are 60 seconds in each minute and there are 60 minutes in each degree.
So to convert DMS format to Decimal Minute format, you take the seconds and convert them to minutes by dividing by 60.
12" / 60 = 0.2' add this to the minutes. So now 39 ° 11' 12" is 39 ° 11.2'.
If the system you are using only recognizes Decimal degrees, you just take the minutes and convert them to degrees by dividing by 60.
11.2' / 60 = 0.1867°. Add this to the 39° to get the converted value.
39 ° 11' 12" is converted to 39.1867°
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Or try this:
http://www.gps-coordinates.net/
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Thanks Pat.
My understanding is:
Bobcat / Bobcat Connector / Weedpatch is now, and will continue to be, a three-way intersection.
The Bobcat Connector will remain the Bobcat Connector, in its entirety. It now connects, and will continue to connect, the threeway intersection of Weedpatch/Bobcat Connector/the triple switchback end of Bobcat, with the top of Aynes. Although it (Bobcat Connector) is currently an advanced trail it will eventually be made easier (see below on Weedpatch).
Bobcat (an advanced trail) is basically a horseshoe or 'U' that has the triple switchback at the Weedpatch/Bobcat Connector end, and twists and turns its way to end at roughly the middle of the Bobcat Connector (where there is a more moderate switchback).
Weedpatch currently serves just as an entry to (or exit from) the intersection of Bobcat/Bobcat Connector. But, Weedpatch will eventually continue across the road as an intermediate trail, and head SE to connect with Limekiln. Thus there will be an intermediate level route that connects Limekiln and the south end of the park, with Aynes and the (mostly) intermediate trails on the north side of the park. Aynes, Bobcat Connector, Weedpatch, and Limekiln will all be continuous, so people won't have to go on an advanced trail (Walnut) or the road to ride from one side of the park to the other.
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I cleared the tree on HP this afternoon.
I was going to head over to GV, but the chain had fallen off my saw and rain was starting to settle in so I headed back.
Whoever clears trees that are posted here please post when you clear them. Most of the time involved in clearing a tree is just getting to the site, especially if it requires walking in with a chainsaw. It really doesn't save much time for other sawyers if a tree is cleared, but its not reported on the forum.
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Thanks Pat.
My understanding is:
Bobcat / Bobcat Connector / Weedpatch is now, and will continue to be, a three-way intersection.
The Bobcat Connector will remain the Bobcat Connector, in its entirety. It now connects, and will continue to connect, the threeway intersection of Weedpatch/Bobcat Connector/the triple switchback end of Bobcat, with the top of Aynes. Although it (Bobcat Connector) is currently an advanced trail it will eventually be made easier (see below on Weedpatch).
Bobcat (an advanced trail) is basically a horseshoe or 'U' that has the triple switchback at the Weedpatch/Bobcat Connector end, and twists and turns its way to end at roughly the middle of the Bobcat Connector (where there is a more moderate switchback).
Weedpatch currently serves just as an entry to (or exit from) the intersection of Bobcat/Bobcat Connector. But, Weedpatch will eventually continue across the road as an intermediate trail, and head SE to connect with Limekiln. Thus there will be an intermediate level route that connects Limekiln and the south end of the park, with Aynes and the (mostly) intermediate trails on the north side of the park. Aynes, Bobcat Connector, Weedpatch, and Limekiln will all be continuous, so people won't have to go on an advanced trail (Walnut) or the road to ride from one side of the park to the other.
An addendum to the above:
I talked with Paul about this yesterday and he said that what I stated above is probably going to hold true, but there is a little more to it. I forgot to mention that Weedpatch (an intermediate trail) will run not just from the intersection with BC/BcC to Limekiln, but also from BC/BcC to the top of Hesitation Point. Thus Weedpatch will connect Limekiln to HP so riders can go from Limekiln to HP without having to ride Walnut.
The BcC was initially planned to go from the top of Aynes all the way to the triple switchback end of BC as an intermediate trail, which means that all of the BcC would be made easier. But, there is now some talk of making BC a loop, which means that the (intermediate) BcC would run just from the top of Aynes to what is now the easier entrance to BC, and the rest of what is now the BcC would become part of BC and would remain an advanced level section of trail.
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Tree down on NT, 12" diam, a few inches off the groond.
39 deg 11.1874' N
86 deg 13.7752' W
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Please contact me if you are doing chainsaw work at Brown County. We have had several cases this year, where our chainsaw crew has carried a saw out to get a reported downed tree, only to find someone has already cut it out. The work is good and we do need more chainsaw volunteers. We just need anyone running a chainsaw to communicate with use. We have a tool we use so our chainsaw crew and trail leaders can communicate.
So if you have been chainsawing or know who has been chainsawing, please send me a PM. We aren't upset with the work being done, it just really sucks to carry a saw to find a tree already cut out. Especially when there are other trees that could have been cut out.
Also, if you hand saw out a tree that has been reported, please let us know of the forum that you cut it out.
Thanks,
Paul
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Please contact me if you are doing chainsaw work at Brown County. We have had several cases this year, where our chainsaw crew has carried a saw out to get a reported downed tree, only to find someone has already cut it out. The work is good and we do need more chainsaw volunteers. We just need anyone running a chainsaw to communicate with use. We have a tool we use so our chainsaw crew and trail leaders can communicate.
So if you have been chainsawing or know who has been chainsawing, please send me a PM. We aren't upset with the work being done, it just really sucks to carry a saw to find a tree already cut out. Especially when there are other trees that could have been cut out.
Also, if you hand saw out a tree that has been reported, please let us know of the forum that you cut it out.
Thanks,
Paul
Do park staff ever cut them out, or do they leave that to the mountainbike association affiliated with the park? Just wondering if they could be the ones cutting some of it out.
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Park staff do not cut out trees.
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Tree on North Tower at about the bottom of the downhill from the tower trail head.
Will need a chainsaw unless a few folks can get the tree to roll. I couldn't get it to roll over the stubs left from the limbs.
Went out to do this on Saturday, but it had already been done. See Paul's post above.
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Mahk is a machine.
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Yes he is. Thanks Mahk!
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The "Trail Guide" link is showing "bad closed" for Brown County. I just finished a ride at SWW and the trail was perfect.
I would venture to say the trails in BCSP are good to ride as well as I only live 20 minutes from the park and my trails at home are good to go as well.
The last update was 3 days ago. Remind me again why we abandoned the system we had and went to the IMBA trail guide?
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Wall,
I updated the individual trails yesterday to yellow except Hobbs (which has some issues right now). I do think that I neglected to hit the "Brown County State Park" button as I tend to focus on the individual trails. It is now fixed.
The reason we went to the new system as there were very few people who had access to make changes. It created a ton of work for those people and there was constant complaining that it was not up to date. It is up to the mountain bikers to post what they see. If it is not up to date, it is no ones fault but the riders who have ridden the trails.
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Cool. I was unaware that we were able to update the trail status ourselves. I'll check it out.
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Cool. I was unaware that we were able to update the trail status ourselves. I'll check it out.
Yes, Anyone can update the trails on mtb project. The hope is that gives more up to the minute statuses from riders actually on the trails. If you have the mtb project app, you can do it right from the trail.
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Trees down, they are all going to need a chain saw.
North Tower - close to 2 ft in diameter and slightly above the trail. N39° 10.992' W86° 14.151'. (I suspect this is the tree reported in the post above).
Aynes - 15" diameter, slightly above the trail. N39° 10.686' W86° 13.666'
Aynes - Two trunks, 8" diameter with a few smaller branches. N39° 10.610' W86° 13.656'
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smallish tree down on bobcat that can probably be handled with a hand saw. it's not too far in from the entrance closest to Aynes. it looked too big to just drag off the trail.
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I was going to post a photo of a tree down but it seems like I am doing it wrong. It’s on north tower. Contact me and I can send a screenshot of its location and amount of tree down.
Thanks
Ben Guillaum
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Trees down, they are all going to need a chain saw.
North Tower - close to 2 ft in diameter and slightly above the trail. N39° 10.992' W86° 14.151'. (I suspect this is the tree reported in the post above).
Aynes - 15" diameter, slightly above the trail. N39° 10.686' W86° 13.666'
Aynes - Two trunks, 8" diameter with a few smaller branches. N39° 10.610' W86° 13.656'
Here's the two trees on Aynes
(https://i.imgur.com/LTtFvyT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jnf7bdZ.jpg)
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I was going to post a photo of a tree down but it seems like I am doing it wrong. It’s on north tower. Contact me and I can send a screenshot of its location and amount of tree down.
Thanks
Ben Guillaum
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/30250439af5306e105fb26407e22d356.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/7f78803ecf41e36c2a71c45321eb2e32.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/e66ed0374668b227634acb4272c9921c.jpg)
Big trunk is mostly rotted.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Cleared NT. It's not as clean as I wanted, but the wood was sunk in the dirt and I didn't want to dull the saw.
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Cleared the two from Aynes. One left a bit of a hole, although it probably doesn't make any more of a bump than all of the roots in that area.
Thanks for all of the photos.
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Pine Loop can use some pruning, mainly at the North parking lot end. Also through the section from the single bridge back toward the north lot through to the lone bermed curve.
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I heard today's storm hit pretty hard at BCSP. Anyone available to help check / clear trails tomorrow in advance of DINO races? I'll be out there late morning. We are using North Tower, Aynes, Green Valley, and North Gate connector.
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I should have mentioned above that the gps coordinates were key too. If anyone can provide that for any trees down from yesterdays storm, it would help a lot.
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Dan, Paul, holzhaus, and I got all that was reported.
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Ben also helped. The only trail we did not get any reports from was Bobcat. Not sure if it was clear, or if no one reported back. Other wise all reported trees were cut out.
Sounds like the worse hit trail was North Tower, and Brian Holzhausen cleared it Friday night. Mahk, Dan, and Ben help me clear the trails South of HP on Saturday morning and I got 2 on Walnut Sunday morning.
As with any storm there could be more damaged trees/branches that come down over the next week. Please report any thing that needs a cut out.
Thanks
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Cleared one from the bottom of Hobbs, and one from the Bobcat Connector.
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Tree on Pine between the single bridge and the north shelter restroom. Will take a chainsaw.
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I am head out saw tonight. So far the list is
PineAynes/greenvalley intersectionTop of Bobcat
Please let me know of any others.
Paul
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I cleared one off of Limekiln, on the Walnut side of the maintenance building.
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Thanks Mahk,
We saw that on our way out on Saturday, but it was gone when we came back!
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Large tree down on Limekiln right at 3/10's of a mile from the campground entrance, 100 yards from the Limekiln reflector sign. Will definitely take a chain saw to clear.
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Cleared that tulip tree. Thanks to Pete and Rick from Louisville for their help.
What's the Limekiln reflector?
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I guess I should have said 'that tulip tree on Limekiln'.
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Big tree down on the Shelly climb. It's just one main trunk resting on the trail, but it's close to 2 foot in diameter so more than one person may be needed.
N39° 10.945' W86° 14.818'
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Limekiln Reflector you ask? Someone built a sign out of broken reflectors that spells Limekiln and placed it just past where the large tulip tree was down. We stopped to work on a bermed/seep area and when we were done, noticed it hanging there. Not sure how long it's been there, but I've never noticed it until the other day.
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While we are asking, what's the "Shelly climb"?
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While we are asking, what's the "Shelly climb"?
Check it out. Note, this is now a two way trail.
https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7037377/shelley-trail (https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7037377/shelley-trail)
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So it's what was the "second climb" of Hobbs and the shortcut to HP.
Did I miss the notice here on the forums of the 2 way change and renaming?
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So it's what was the "second climb" of Hobbs and the shortcut to HP.
Did I miss the notice here on the forums of the 2 way change and renaming?
Shelly is after Flow 2. Shelly includes the short cut (fire road) back to HP.
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Limekiln Reflector you ask? Someone built a sign out of broken reflectors that spells Limekiln and placed it just past where the large tulip tree was down. ... Not sure how long it's been there, but I've never noticed it until the other day.
I've not noticed it either, but now I'm curious. I'll keep an eye out next time I'm in that area.
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Tower Connect, North Tower, Anyes, and Green Valley are dry after Tuesday's rain and in great shape. Pine Bog (formally Pine Loop) has a lot of rim deep soft spots that are rapidly growing as riders churn through them.
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We will close the gates and give it time to dry out. Thanks for letting me know. I typically park higher up and don't always see Pie when I am down there. Too much trail to ride it all in one day.
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I cleared an oak off of Walnut, between the doubled log-over and the older, notched log-over.
Come help with the Trail Build this weekend at Crooked Creek!
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Left Pine Loop closed. Tree down on North gate just out of the north lot. Can use a chainsaw.
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Jeff and I cut most of the tree on North Gate last night using a couple of handsaws. What's left is rideable, and needs a chainsaw to clear it completely.
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3 way intersection of NT connector and Pine near the bathroom is a at least a foot diameter dead tree that fell but is leaning on another tree. Little dangerous especially considering the number of people that cross this area daily.
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Schooner had numerous trees down in all different sizes couple nights ago, I know it's not used a lot but those were impassible without climbing over or around
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Cleared two and left one on Bobcat yesterday evening. The one I left is an oak, bigger than I want to cut with a handsaw, small enough to ride over and......it's Bobcat.
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Big tree down on the Shelly climb. It's just one main trunk resting on the trail, but it's close to 2 foot in diameter so more than one person may be needed.
N39° 10.945' W86° 14.818'
This tree is still on the trail and now there is a second tree about 1/4 mile down hill of it. The second tree is about 20" diameter, single trunk, suspended 4-5 inches above the trail.
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Cleared Schooner from Ogle Lake Road to the Hoosiers Nest end, and one from the HP end of Walnut.
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I cut the two trees on North Tower.
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Thanks Ed!!
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Tree on North Gate at the bottom of the downhill coming from North Tower. Elevated and will need a chainsaw. Was told of another down on Green Valley, but I didn't get a location.
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Spectrum Trail Design took care of the tree on NG
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Tree at least foot in diameter fell across Green Valley. Riding clockwise near top of downhill section before the bridge with skulls. About quarter mile before the skull bridge.
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Also a tree down on Aynes right before the climb heading towards the South end of the Park (but still in the valley)
39°10'42.6"N 86°13'53.0"W
39.178500, -86.231394
(https://i.imgur.com/hOXO553.jpg)
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Aynes and GV have been cleared.
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The air conditioning between pine loop and the camp ground is blowing hot humid air, needs fixed.
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Tree down on Green Valley. I forgot to take a picture of the coordinates on my GPS. Riding the trail in the clockwise direction, it is right in the middle of what I consider the first fun downhill section with flow. I will get the coordinates off my GPS this afternoon if no one states that they already got this tree. Going off of mtbproject's topographic map, my best guess would be somewhere in the 1.51 mile marker on the trail if you drag the mountain biker icon along the trail.
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A group of us removed the tree on GV last night.
Still hot and humid.
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Thanks Mahk!
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Haven't ridden GV for a while, so sorry if this has already been reported. The railing on the Green Valley 'skull bridge' has some broken supports, is leaning precariously, and looks about ready to fall off completely. The riding surface of the bridge seems fine, it's just the railing that's broken.
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Trees down on GV- at the top of the second climb going CC at a trail sign, I think it was 13. Second one just after the bridge going CC.
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Trees down on GV- at the top of the second climb going CC at a trail sign, I think it was 13. Second one just after the bridge going CC.
Just a friendly reminder, these are still there and will require a chainsaw.
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I cleared 2 trees from GV, 2 from Aynes, and a cluster from Bobcat. I also propped the railing on the skull bridge on GV, although it's not secure and is likely to fall again.
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It was only three days (three weekdays) from when grayhound posted that there were trees down on GV until someone posted that they hadn't been cleared. Virtually all of the trail maintenance is done by volunteers. Even in a highly paid corporate world a three day turn-around is pretty good. Be patient, appreciative, and realize that folks have other things to do besides work on the trails. And, when you can, forego riding and instead go out and offer to help.
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Tree down on GV. Coordinates are N 39* 11.2983’ W 086* 14.3214’ . Be careful, there are a bunch of bees! One of them got me when I was moving the smaller pieces off of the trail.
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There are two trees over foot in diameter across Shelley trail. Both in the first half of the trail starting from HP side. They have been there many weeks and near one tree a new trail is starting to form going around the tree.
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Here is the tree down on Green Valley.
39°11'18.4"N 86°14'19.9"W
39.188443, -86.238864
(https://i.imgur.com/6P0JE9Z.jpg)
There is also a tree down on the “boardwalk" section of walnut (near limekiln) as of Saturday (9/22/18)
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Two trees down on Shelly.
39°10'56.3"N 86°14'48.8"W
39.182307, -86.246879
(https://i.imgur.com/uFRjTow.jpg)
There is a ride around on this one, so not really necessary to remove.
39°10'52.0"N 86°14'51.2"W
39.181109, -86.247566
(https://i.imgur.com/cNJ4nl1.jpg)
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There is also a tree down on the “boardwalk" section of walnut (near limekiln) as of Saturday (9/22/18)
I cleared the tree on Walnut.
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Two trees down on Shelly.
Steve, no need to report these. They have been reported at least 3 times going back to early July.
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I will get to the trees on Shelly, either this weekend or next week.
Are there still trees down on Schooner?
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Tree down on GV. Coordinates are N 39* 11.2983’ W 086* 14.3214’ . Be careful, there are a bunch of bees! One of them got me when I was moving the smaller pieces off of the trail.
I cleared that tree from GV last weekend. Completely forgot about the bees.....
I cleared Schooner 6 or 8 weeks ago from Ogle Lake Road to the Hoosiers Nest end.
I rode Schooner about 3 weeks ago and the tree that had been overhanging the trail for a long time right at the bottom of the rooty rooty switchback had finally fallen to the ground. At that time the rest of the trail was still clear, except for some rocks.....
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At that time the rest of the trail was still clear, except for some rocks.....
So when are the rocks going to be cleared out? :D
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I cut a ride around for one tree on Shelly, but didn't find the other. I will try to get back out this week for the other one.
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This was just reported on Facebook.[/size]
Large tree down on Hobbs DH1, about a quarter mile after the drops. Will need a saw.[/color]
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I cut the one on Hobbs this evening.
I started to cut the second one on Shelley, but my saw overheated before I was finished so the log is still on the trail. As Steve noted, however, the ride around on this one is fairly well-established, and merges smoothly with the existing trail, so it will remain as is, at least for Epic weekend.
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Pine has 3 trees spaced along it's length between the bridges at either end. North Tower has 2, one at the creek after the downhill counter clockwise from Green Valley and the other one is about a mile from the North Tower trail head. I will put the location GPS later.
Edit: GPS info was off. It must be the tower info since it looks to be the CVS in town.
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Cleared the trees on Pine.
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Thanks Ed!!
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I cleared two from GV.
I also cut the two that Ed mentioned on NT. It was already dark, and I wanted to do as much as I could with the saw in the short time that I had, so I just left things as I cut them. If anyone is out riding and comes to some cut branches and / or logs on the trail please help with moving them. Thanks.
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Thanks Mahk. I might be down Thursday and clear things as I go.
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If there are trees that were cut on Green Valley anyone can clear them from the trail. I didn't get on that section today.
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I cleared the trees from GV when I cut them. I think the only one left to be cut and cleared is on Aynes.
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Rode yesterday. Trails where all clear. Green Valley, Anyes, Stacey, North Tower. Down hill side rail of skull bridge was wiped out. North Tower tree gone too. Thanks.
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Thanks for posting that Kirk. I was going to go out tomorrow with a saw to get the one on Aynes, so I'm glad you posted that it's now clear.
It's great to have people help with the saw work, but please post what you have done.
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There are some trees down on North Tower. One on the first bermed curve going from the N. Gate junction. One between the N. Gate junction and the trail head at the tower. One about half way around next to where the big root ball is. There are a couple more jutting into the trail corridor you want to watch out for.
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Two trees down on GV. First is about halfway from Aynes, Shelly, GV intersection and the skull bridge, the second tree is closer to the skull bridge in the turn of the switchback. Will need a chain saw. Thanks!
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I cut those a few days ago, plus one on Aynes.
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There's a tree across the trail on Green Valley around the bend from the top of the second climb when coming from the North Tower end. It's not huge, but it needs a chainsaw or at least a large handsaw.
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Gautam and I cleared three trees from GV yesterday (Thursday) evening. Thanks also to Lonnie and his Michigan friend for help with one of those.
All with a Silky.
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I cut a couple of small trees that fell across the Aynes Connector (between Aynes and NT), but didn't have time to move all of the branches. If you pass through there, please lend a hand and clear them off of the trail. Thanks!
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Large tree down on Green Valley. It is not far from the top where GV, Shelley, and Aynes meet.
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Mike, Nick, and I cleared the tree on GV this morning.
(https://asset1.basecamp.com/2854924/projects/8550765/attachments/381696601/7641074e-b5f7-11e9-8c81-047d7badf15e/thumbnail.jpg)
(Mike's photo)
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Mahk - Thanks, as always!
Also, major kudos to whoever chopped down Chiggerville near the old foundation/creek crossing on Aynes. My armpits are clear this week! :)
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Two trees on Pine, one near the north lot and one about halfway through where it changes from the flat muddy section to the pine needles section. One on North Gate. Easy for a chainsaw, a workout for a handsaw. It's just about to where the trail nears the road going from the north shelter.
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Tree at the top of HP
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This morning I cleared the two on Pine and one on NG.
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I also got the one on HP.
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Trees down on many trails, but the trail crew is catching up. By Saturday when it will be good to ride most will or all be gone.
More are likely to fall soon ans there was several creaking more than I think they should for the light breeze, and one across the road about 100" from the North Tower pull off fell while I was getting ready to go work.
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No location details, but there is a hole on Hesitation Point to watch for.
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24” or so diameter tree down on hesitation point. Just downhill of the 180 degree turn with the two trees.
GPS coordinates were:
N 39* 10.3173’
W 86* 14.2894’
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Two trees down on GV. First is about halfway from Aynes, Shelly, GV intersection and the skull bridge, the second tree is closer to the skull bridge in the turn of the switchback. Will need a chain saw. Thanks!
It is on the to do list. not sure if we will get to it before sunday morning.
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Cleared a tree on green valley with my handsaw. Wasn’t sure if it was on the radar or not, it’s coordinates were:
N 39* 11.3162’
W 86* 14.6575’
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Thanks Matt!
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You’re welcome Ed!
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https://www.trailforks.com/tracker/map/?ping=39.182224,-86.232008
Tree on N. Tower. Couldn't get the location to lock, but it's close.
Fairly rotted, about 10" or so in diameter but will take a chainsaw unless someone wants a vigorous workout with a hand saw.
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Cleared a tree on green valley with my handsaw. Wasn’t sure if it was on the radar or not, it’s coordinates were:
N 39* 11.3162’
W 86* 14.6575’
Thanks for cutting and for posting.
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You're welcome Mahk. I didn't want you or one of the other guys to have to lug a chainsaw all the way out there just to find it taken care of. I definitely appreciate all of the hard work of the BCSP chainsaw crew!
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Tree down on North Tower on the flat section between Green Valley and the Aynes connection, just past the creek after the downhill on NT.
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I cut that today so that it is easily rideable, but it needs a chainsaw to clear everything off of the fire road.
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Thanks Mahk!
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I was told of a tree being down at the end of the first Hobbs downhill about where the climb starts.
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Was told there is a tree down on the park office end of Weed Patch. Can't remember the location exactly, but it's within the first few turns.
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Tree down on Green Valley
N 39* 11.2700'
W 86* 14.6056'
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Tree down in the middle area of Pine Loop.
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Tree on Weedpatch has been cleared.
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Tree down on Green Valley
N 39* 11.2700'
W 86* 14.6056'
Nick Cox and I cleared the tree on GV.
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Thanks Mahk and Nick.
Just leaves the easily passable one on Pine.
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Tree down in the middle area of Pine Loop.
Just a reminder that as of today, this tree is still down on Pine Loop. It's good-sized and very close to the fallen tree that forms an "arch" over the trail. Riders have created a bypass.
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Just a reminder that as of today, this tree is still down on Pine Loop. It's good-sized and very close to the fallen tree that forms an "arch" over the trail. Riders have created a bypass.
Draggon, see Ed's comment in his Oct 2nd post, above, 'Just leave the easily passable one on Pine.'
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That tree can be removed, just isn't a priority. Passable, but doesn't flow well.
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Draggon, see Ed's comment in his Oct 2nd post, above, 'Just leave the easily passable one on Pine.'
I read that as - (Removing the one on Green Valley) "just leaves the easily passable one on Pine."
No worries - I just thought it may have been overlooked. Appreciate all you do.
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Oh....as in '..the only one left to do is....'.
I think you're right. I thought the 's' was a typo, but I was wrong.
At this point the park is jammed with leaf watchers. It may be awhile before that tree is cleared.
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Tree down on North Tower about 500 feet counter clockwise from the junction with North Gate.
Would be one for the chainsaw.
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The tree on NT has been cleared.
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Thank you Mahk!
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There's a tree down on Hobbs. Looks like it's on the second downhill, but be aware for trees anywhere with the higher winds the past week.
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Tree down on North Tower, far side of the loop. Will post location later.
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8” tree suspended 8” over trail - North Tower, 1/4 mile ccw from Ayne’s connector. Easy walkover.
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Cleared the tree.
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Tree on North Tower counter clockwise from the Aynes connector at the top of the climb. Will get the details posted later.
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Forgot to add it needs a chainsaw, and it's not easy to get around.
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Blake Fahl and I cleared the tree on NT.
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Thanks
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There are a couple of trees down on Green Valley, and one on Weed Patch. Chainsaw folks have been notified.
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Weed Patch tree is cleared.
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Had a report of a tree down on Walnut that can be cut with a hand saw. Don't have a location.
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10” +/- on Pine - up hill & around bend from 1st bridge cw from north shelter (restrooms).
20” +/- on Green Valley just short of skull bridge ccw from north tower loop - suspended above trail from 0” to 30”
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Another 10” +/- on Green Valley 1.5 miles (+/-) ccw from skull bridge location.
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8” down on Walnut across both trails at 1st switchback from Walnut Shelter to HP. Probably the one Ed referred to above. Could be handcut, but a bit of work since it’s crossing both sections.
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I cut the tree on Walnut. A group of riders from Bloomington helped clear the bigger pieces off of the trail.
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Tree on North Gate just before the gravel road crossing. 8"to 12", didn't feel like I had the energy to try and cut it with a hand saw.
People were out yesterday making ruts to block drainage, making it take longer after the heavy rain to be in overall good condition. Saw many out today that have to know better from the gear and bikes they were on.
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Two trees down on Weedpatch, one on each end of the flat part at the bottom.
Seven on Hesitation Point. Two on the descent and the rest on the bottom. One right at the cabin ruin is said to be huge.
Six on Limekiln
One on Schooner.
If there are more let us know.
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I cut the tree on Walnut. A group of riders from Bloomington helped clear the bigger pieces off of the trail.
Thanks, Mahk (& Bloomington riders)! Also thanks to whoever cleared the two trees on Green Valley that I mentioned above. :)
Draggon
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Tree down on North Tower.