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BCSP Trail Conditions
« on: June 12, 2009, 07:31:33 AM »
I am going to keep the BCSP trail conditions thread pruned down to only those posts relevant to current conditions.

 If your post is of "archival quality"  please use another thread.

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2013, 10:20:31 PM »
Now that I got my smart-ass comment out of the way, let me tell you what I found today.

Yesterday there was a small water-filled spot on GV that I rode by (figured it was small, it'll dry up). Guess what? Today it was still holding water. Every time a rider goes through it, it'll cause a deeper hole in the mud, or riding around causing the trail to widen.

Now....on to the stick-drained locations, at least 3 - 4 good ones on GV alone. I'm talking 12 - 24" across and a couple inches deep. They were bone-dry today. The two guys I was riding with couldn't tell which spots I had drained. Hell I had a hard time on a couple I didn't think they would have dried up so nicely based on how bad they were yesterday before I drained them.

I'm not arguing that true work-day trail maint with proper tools is the best way to do things, but simply draining problem spots & scraping the leaves & mud away from the downside (think hockey stick lol)  is pretty good preventative maintenance I think. The spots I opened are now totally dry & will likely drain quite well for the next few months.

If more riders would do simple things like this, there would be many less "problem areas" that have to be addressed by full-on trail work days.

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2013, 10:59:12 PM »
Thanks Shark, good job. It definitely is a group effort and all the small things still add up to huge improvements. I always do at least one trail improvement per ride,and that adds up to a hunk after a full season of riding. RideOn !

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2013, 12:53:16 PM »
Thanks Shark, good job. It definitely is a group effort and all the small things still add up to huge improvements. I always do at least one trail improvement per ride,and that adds up to a hunk after a full season of riding. RideOn !

Agreed,  If anyone has time, and wants access go at it with the proper tools,  I can get tools to you with a little advanced notice. 

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2013, 03:30:14 PM »
Sticks and heels work in a pinch, but nothing beats the drain digging power of the allmighty rhino 8)
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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2013, 10:01:16 PM »
 I wasn't trying to say that your effort weren't worthwhile or appreciated.  My point is that we also need to have organized trail work days at Brown County. 
Whenever I talk to State Parks or State Forests about more trails, their biggest concern is whether or not the mountain bike community can maintain more trails.  It is the most important thing we can do to allow us to continue to get access to build more trails.
Organized trail work days are important for several reasons.  First, it is how we teach mountain biker how to maintain trails.  New riders likely do not how to work on trails.  It is dangerous to encourage people who have not worked with experienced trail workers to do self-paced work.  If we want to continue to instill in mountain bikers the need for mountain bikers to take charge building and maintaining our trails, then we need to promote and lead organized trail work days.
Another reason is that there are many tasks that need to be done that require planning and tools.  We need to strive to make long lasting repairs.
The best strategy is to be preventive.  That means to address issue prior to the trail being damaged.  While riding, you are likely to only notice spots that have become issues.  If you walk the trail, and know what to look for, in many cases you can spot areas before they become issues and easily address them. 
The bottom line is that organized trail work days are required to continue to build new trails at BCSP.  I would really like to see some local riders step up and organized some regular trail work days at BCSP.  When I feel the trail maintenance is under control, then I can focus on building new trails. 
 
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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 03:53:53 AM »
There was a tree down on HP before the storms came through. It was uphill from the bridge. 10-12", I think, and directly in the trail. Folks moved it aside to ride around it, but it was still there when I left as the rain started.

Also, turns out Mike Pence was staying at the Aynes House. I was taking a break at the top of Aynes when he and two friends walked up. I didn't know who he was, so I treated them like I treat all hikers. They were going to walk the fire road but wanted a longer hike than that, so I directed them around the Aynes loop and gave them one of the spare maps I carry. Then Pence introduced himself and shook my hand. If I hadn't been really surprised by the whole thing, I would've said something other than 'have a nice hike.' That's probably a good thing. Hopefully he got a sense that mountain bikers are a helpful, friendly lot.

However, it's too bad I know too little about the state's involvement and that someone else who does know enough wasn't there to give him the trail advocate word. :/
« Last Edit: June 30, 2013, 04:03:59 AM by too_many_cats »

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 09:39:59 PM »
First, please report trail issues on the trail issues forum thread.

Second, we error on the side of leaving logs on Schooner.  Schooner does not need to be 100% Rideable.  Please leave the logs for now, until we have time to get some eyes on them. 

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 02:15:04 PM »
Is there any news regarding the new trail close to HP being ready for this weekend? Wasnt sure if it was even close, I have heard nothing about it since I worked on it in May or June, sometime around there. Any news, please post. Thank you.

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 02:23:32 PM »
Is there any news regarding the new trail close to HP being ready for this weekend? Wasnt sure if it was even close, I have heard nothing about it since I worked on it in May or June, sometime around there. Any news, please post. Thank you.
It is still quite a ways away. There has not been much done on it since late spring/early summer.
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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2013, 06:37:03 PM »
I rode the entire trail this morning early.  The trail was very good.  A very few small puddles, most of which were on limekiln.  Condition should be green. 

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 01:10:17 PM »
Is there any news regarding the new trail close to HP being ready for this weekend? Wasnt sure if it was even close, I have heard nothing about it since I worked on it in May or June, sometime around there. Any news, please post. Thank you.
The forgotten trail. ???

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2013, 04:23:31 PM »
Not forgotten,  more like bundled.
By that I mean that I have been working on the much larger picture this Summer and Fall.  While we did get formal approval for the Hobb's Hollow Flow trail and conditional approval for the HP Bowl Trail, we still don't have final approval of the whole next phase (Limekiln Return, HP East, Weedpatch Connector, HP Bowl, and Hobbs Hollow).  The problem with getting approval for one trail at a time is that changes to one trail can impact other trail alignments.  That was what happened with HP bowl.  Changes to the Weedpatch trail required us to make some changes to the HP bowl.

We expect final approval for the whole phase soon. 

And we really picked up speed this summer at Yellowwood State Forest. I have just put together a rough concept for the South East Park of Yellowwood State Forest. 

In the next few weeks, I hope to have approval for some work at Yellowwood.  So I will likely hold hold a meeting at BCSP/Nashville to discuss the big picture.  There are some trails that we will need to fund raise for and completely build professionally, some will be all volunteer built, and some will be a hybrid of both. 

So HP Bowl is not forgotten, we have just been working on the much bigger picture.

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 04:24:38 PM »
What would be required to help, Chain saw?, brute strength?

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Re: BCSP Trail Conditions
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 05:03:28 PM »
We have volunteers who are approved for chainsaw work.  If you have chainsaw experience and safety gear (helmet, chaps, ear, and eye protection) and would like to do chainsaw work for HMBA you could work with me tomorrow and get on the list. 

But we also need non chain sawyers.  Typically when big stuff is down there is also lots of little stuff that can be moved by hand or sawed by hand.  Also want to have helpers for the chain sawyers. 

It also is a good time to look for sections holding water and doing routine maintenance.  So we can put everyone to work.  I will also be bringing the needed tools.

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